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#347311 - 07/19/12 12:45 PM
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#347398 - 07/20/12 04:01 PM
Re: Bands you were in
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Our "Keynotes" band always had the latest style tux, ... we used to do a 'floor show' featuring our lead singer which was good, but we had some 'corny' routines also ... but as you say, it was fun, and we got hired and re-hired - A LOT !!! That's right, Tony. Back in the day all the bands had pretty sharp suits, etc. In that movie clip, our suits were custom made of 'slub mohair' in an olive green shade, the handmade shirts, the handmade boots, good stuff. Of course, the film company ponied up the tab for that little lot. Our regular stage dress was a bit more, let's say, frugal.
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#347416 - 07/21/12 06:44 AM
Re: Bands you were in
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Nigel, You're the only one I've never picked on that I can remember, so I want to make this perfectly clear. I'm not picking on you. To me this is a fact!
If that is you to the far right playing the organ in 1864, then the picture on all of your post to the far left must be at least 30 years old.
DonM pulled that gimmick when I first joined the forum. He had a picture of him posted one time of when he was maybe 25 years old. Then when I met him on my first trip to Shreveport, I thought "WOW" he must of gotten hold of some bad anti-aging cream. He went from 25 or so in the picture to at least 55 or so in no time at all from the picture to real life exposure!!!
Man you need to up-date your picture unless your in with Joan Rivers' doctor and he gives you a big discount.
Now if that is really how you look today, I truly beg your pardon and I apologize. LOL
In any event, you are just one of us old farts, anyway you look at it!! You just look better than the rest of us.
If I get no reply from you, I'll really be disappointed. Say something... this has nothing to do with Jazz or picking on Uncle Dave. OK?
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#347421 - 07/21/12 08:35 AM
Re: Bands you were in
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Well Tony, it turns out that there were about 3,000 bands called the KeyNotes and yes we used Combo Orks. That was the cusp of the end of the big band era and the beginning of Rock. Most of our repertoire were "standards" with a sprinkling of the new 3 chord tunes. Most requested tune was Stardust. None of us could afford an amp and we rented the amp (shown) for each gig from a local music store for $2.00 per gig. The tuxes were bought from a rental place - all with frayed cuffs and collars. Fran, we didn't play many 'nice' places ... played many a night during all out brawls and we just played on. Our first gigs payed whatever was in the hat - 'pass the hat'. We were thrilled if we got $10 each. Soon after high school, the band broke up and I bought an amp (still have it, Esty/Panaramic tube amp), hooked up with a trio and played a joint where we played in the middle of the bar because it was too dangerous on the stage. Lots of memories. Ciao, Jerry Jerry ... The first band I started at about 16 yrs old, was named "The Twilighters" and "Twilight Time" (Three Suns version - way before "The Platters" ![grin grin](/forum/images/graemlins/default_dark/grin.gif) ) was our theme song ... I used a drummer who had the band "The Keynotes" ... when the Twilighters started getting HS dances and such, the sax player from The Keynotes wanted in so he suggested to the drummer that we 'merge' the bands ... One night they came to me and asked if I wanted to join the Keynotes and would I spend $5 to buy a 'band jacket' ... I said yes, and that was the start ... I later found out they had asked a piano player about buying the jacket and he said no ... his loss - my gain ... for 26 years !!! ![rocker rocker](/forum/images/graemlins/default_dark/rocker.gif) We also went the 'pass the hat' route - didn't everybody?!? - and also the "play this gig for free and you can name your price on the next one" ... still waiting for "the next one" ... ![rotfl rotfl](/forum/images/graemlins/default_dark/rotfl.gif)
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#347434 - 07/21/12 12:04 PM
Re: Bands you were in
[Re: btweengigs]
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#347447 - 07/21/12 03:30 PM
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A clip from a movie we did the title music and closing scene for in 1965. That's me on the far right playing a Watkins Telstar combo organ. I've somehow lost that 'slip of a lad' image since then, though. Almost missed this, 124, and it is so cool to have a treasure like this from the past. I have several "live" VHS clips of a few of the groups I played with and need to get them converted to DVD etc. Watkins "Telstar" organ...not a common instrument back in the day, and maybe worth a bit to a collector...any idea where it ended up? http://www.combo-organ.com/Others/others.htm#Wem Your band really had a great look, and a polished presentation...not to mention that you sounded pretty cool too. ![cool2 cool2](/forum/images/graemlins/default_dark/cool2.gif) My first combo organ was a " Howard Combo Organ" by Baldwin...once described as the "57 DeSoto of the Combo Organ world"...not as screechy as the more common and popular Farfisas (Fast 4/5's) of the day...far more mellow. What did you use to amplify the Watkins? There's more on this great site about combo organs: http://www.combo-organ.com/ Ian
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#347449 - 07/21/12 04:23 PM
Re: Bands you were in
[Re: btweengigs]
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Hi Ian,
I bought the Watkins in 1964(?) having gone the usual route of playing whatever piano happened to be in whatever venue we were booked - you know how that goes. I ended up selling it in order to raise the down payment on my first Hammond, an L102.
Most of the groups in the UK at the time had either a Farfisa Duo or a Vox Continental. Never really liked either of those, so went for the Watkins, which was a bit of a rarity even then.
I can't say I'd ever heard of a 'Howard Combo Organ'. I don't think they ever appeared over the pond. Thanks for that link, looks like a very interesting site. I'll be delving into that one.
Yes, it was a great band, we'd all been friends for several years - still see a couple of them when I'm over there. Everybody was a natural singer, and those harmonies all came so easily. You may have noticed early in the clip where two young fellas appear and one says, "they're playing our song!". That, pre-Small Faces, was Steve Marriott. In the dressing room that morning he told me he was putting a band together and asked me if I'd like to join. I said I was happy enough with the band I was in and turned it down.
We were doing pretty well, anyway. We recorded it with Shel Talmy who was producing The Kinks and The Who at the time. The single of that song was out on CBS in the UK, getting heavy radio rotation (7 plays a day), and reached no.32, not huge, but a no.32 record then was probably selling more than a top five song now.
Following that, in 1966, we had the original demo for Black Is Black, created the now-familiar arrangement and recorded it ready for release. Some internal corporate squabbles at CBS in London led to it being shelved (trust the suits - NOT), and the next thing we knew was that Los Bravos had copped it, our arrangement an' all, and had it out within three weeks and was the no.5 selling record in all of Europe that year.
Such are the stories of the biz.
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#347451 - 07/21/12 04:30 PM
Re: Bands you were in
[Re: btweengigs]
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Nigel, What does that brunette think about good looking, blond haired, blue eyed, Cajun Tenor Sax players?
Please don't tell her I'm a Jazzer, OK? Tell her I play whatever genre' of music it is that you guys are playing, PLEASE? Thanks good old buddy, friend, great guy that you are!!!! I hope it ain't your wife. I don't care about the other guys.
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#347454 - 07/21/12 05:09 PM
Re: Bands you were in
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Hi Ian,
Following that, in 1966, we had the original demo for Black Is Black, created the now-familiar arrangement and recorded it ready for release. Some internal corporate squabbles at CBS in London led to it being shelved (trust the suits - NOT), and the next thing we knew was that Los Bravos had copped it, our arrangement an' all, and had it out within three weeks and was the no.5 selling record in all of Europe that year.
Such are the stories of the biz. Wow! That must have been a "downer"...that song still gets played a lot...your situation was not uncommon, as there were a lot of unscrupulous agents/managers...makes me think of Hunter S. Thompson's quote..."The music business is a cruel and shallow money trench, a long plastic hallway where thieves and pimps run free, and good men die like dogs. There's also a negative side." ![wink wink](/forum/images/graemlins/default_dark/wink.gif) The Vox AC Amps were very popular, and became more so here in Canada during the Beatles takeover. I used a 60's Fender Bassman 100 Piggyback “Blackface” with black Tolex amplifier and matching black Tolex 4X10" speaker cabinet...not sure of the wattage, but it worked pretty good up until I got a second hand Leslie 122, and eventually a Hammond M-3 to go with it. I even mic'd the 122 through a Marshall stack at one point. Ahhh...the days of experimentation that preceded the first synths. Combo organs made a comeback with groups like Elvis Costello, but Hammond really ruled the roost and were what we all aspired to eventually, despite the transportation problems. A friend had an L102...nice, especially since it had presets and drawbars, the M-3 only having the latter, but they had essentially the same sound and same size keyboards, although the M-3's were closer in size and shape to the B's. This is a good thread...lots of cool and interesting stuff...the historical aspect of SZ. Ian
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#347457 - 07/21/12 05:49 PM
Re: Bands you were in
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Sorry, Ian, you asked about what amp I used. I had a brand new Vox AC30 which, at the time, cost the princely sum of 122 pounds sterling. I see them now, with a few bells and whistles, around the $1300 mark! The Vox AC30 is an absolutely classic tube amp that will always be in demand. Yep, the AC30 was and is right up there with the Fender Twin, and the Roland JC-120, depending on what flavor you wanted...the best of the Brits, the USA, and Japan. Although I had experience with the Fender and JC-120, I was never fortunate enough to play a keyboard through a Vox AC30...they were hard to find and were usually grabbed up by the guitar players. Many years ago, early 90's, whilst working in Newfoundland, one of my band mates in the Ducats, was in on the discovery of a bunch of instruments stored away in a old house outside of the capital city of St.John's. The house used to be a nightclub, and when the owner died, his wife took all the gear, which he had bought for the use of any bands playing there, and put everything in the attic, and remodeled the house. The club had only been active for about a year. Besides a complete set of Rogers Drums, vintage Fender PA system with two speaker towers, two vintage Fender guitars, one a Tele and the other a Precision Bass, there was a red Fender Contempo Combo Organ, that only needed contact cleaner and some other minor things, to get it up to playing condition. I got to play it, because the guy who discovered knew I had some experience with combo organs, and wanted to know if it was working correctly. http://www.combo-organ.com/Fender/fender.htm Man, that sound brought back a lot of memories...we played it through one of the Twin Reverbs also stored away...quite a find. Lou Skinner, our guitar player, and the guy who acquired it, eventually sold it to someone in the US for an undisclosed amount, but I think he did quite well on it. That's why I asked 124 about his instrument...some collectors will pay top dollar for these old organs. Ian
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#347465 - 07/21/12 10:51 PM
Re: Bands you were in
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A very interesting musical life indeed, Nigel.
London, in the mid-60's, was everything you heard about it, and more. I can't imagine being involved in a better scene anywhere at any time. No words can describe it, really. It's as though everything came together at that moment, and I don't think it'll ever come again.
The Vox AC30 was a very favoured amp with guitarists and keyboard players alike. For a compact unit, it packed a lot of punch with its two 12" Celestion speakers. You also saw a lot of Fender Twins, Bassmans, and a lot of Selmer amps. Watkins, the maker of the Telstar organ, also made some good amps. Vox certainly weren't without competition.
Ian: I took a look at that vintage organ website. Very absorbing. Even though there's reference to it being related to the Teischord, it certainly looked nothing like one. It's difficult to see much detail in that photo, but the Telstar was a well made unit - Rexine-covered plywood on chrome fold-up legs. The tabs were a bit on the small side and were of the push-in/pull-out variety. It even had percussion, something similar to the third harmonic on a Hammond which is what attracted me to it in the first place. As you say, very rare. Not many were made, and I've never seen one since.
Nigel: Thanks for another excellent vid. Oz certainly had its share of some great bands. It's a shame, the shemozzle Men at Work got into over Down Under. Ian's quote from Hunter S. Thompson certainly rings true.
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