How are you using the SYNC START and SYNC STOP feature of your arranger?

Do you prefer that the SYNC START is going off after you pressed the first chord and that the arranger started?

My sync start is always on.........I dont use any pedals either

Likewise, I have 'sync start' on all the time. I do use an EC5 pedal which I have set up as follows: A-Break, B-Fill 1, C-Fill 2, D-Sustain, E-Sustain. Don't know why I have two pedals for sustain, but I'm not that good with my right foot (probably why I don't play football). For dead stops, I just hit the 'sync stop' button on the control panel.

At the moment I have always been using the sync start on...That could change though

Have I missed something, whats Sync start???

Matty hows does that work "Australia/Hong Kong" I thought they were at least a couple of miles apart, I watch that program Border Patrol Australia, you people don't take any crap like we do, they can bring anything they like into this country except money, if you come here do not bring any money, we have loads of it for you. I am 68 and work my butt off to ensure the cash till is always full... I wonder what part of the word FOOD the people who come into Australia don't understand.. perhaps the film markers just pick on the vunerable or plain stupid.. I love to see drug mules get 12 years inside, here we just give them community work for about 100 hours..

I have always used my arrangers with the sync/start turned on.

Deane

Now follow these instructions, or RTFM.

Fill sync with water. Pull plug. Water drains away. This sequence is known as 'sync start'. Geddit?

124, is sync stop, plug back in or turn tap off???

Both, I think. :-)

I also have the "Sync Start" on always.

Wally

On the Ketron SD1, when the arranger stops, the SYNC START is not reseted.

It seems that on Yamaha arrangers the Sync Start is just ONCE

You use it, and it come back to OFF

True?

I guess it depends on whether you want to play a free form intro, or a pickup before the ONE, or the beginning of an Intro where you don't play...

Sync Start has its uses, but it isn't something that you should say ALWAYS use.

Sync stop, OTOH, I have never really found a use for. I have always preferred using footswitches to do that.

I most always use Sync-Start, but rarely used Sync-Stop until the advent of Yamaha's Freeplay styles, which really benefit from it.

If I want a one bar stop/fill without needing a foot-switch, I generally program it into one of the Intros, or I'll use Ending I, hitting one of the main variation buttons before it ends completely.

I use two foot-switches/pedals on my Tyros4...one for sustain, and the other for volume.

Ian

Yes same here..only sync-start but if Korg were to emulate those fantastic Yamaha "freeplay" styles I would certainly be using the stop as well.

I guess we can surmise, then, that, like using any other feature on an arranger, we all do things our own way. Vive la difference.

Dan, on Yamaha arrangers, it depends on how it is used.

You can use SYNC-START to start style/rhythm by playing a chord, and then to stop, press the START/STOP button, whereupon the SYNC-START does not reset....or...you can start your style/rhythm using SYNC-START and then to stop, press SYNC-START again, whereby it resets to on and the style will play when a chord is played.

Ian

I use the Sync Stop on Rolands to force a retrigger if I release and re-press the keys in the chord area. This trick gives me some of the flexibility Yamaha players enjoy with their "free styles" (styles for playing rubato.) This capability is especially important when playing traditional religious music, any song without a regular percussive beat, or where the time signature changes partway through.
Thanks for asking! -Ted

Wersi operates the same as Yamaha (As explained by Ian)

Sync Start Stop I use as Ted does

Bill

Don't get me started! Every time I start using Sync Stop I can't stop using Sync Start. I mean, just stop it!

On Ketron, it works as such ...

SYNC START ON, SYNC STOP OFF:- Play a chord in Arranger section and arranger plays. Release chord to play another, arranger continues playing previous chord until next chord is read/detected. This is your standard operation mode. If you stop playing a style and go to select another, SYNC START stays ON (unless you manually turn off).

SYNC START OFF, SYNC STOP ON:-
Play a chord in Arranger section (and hold down for > 500ms or pre-set time in menu) and arranger plays. Release chord to play another, arranger continues playing previous chord until next chord is read/detected. Play a chord in Arranger section and release BEFORE 500ms (or preset time), Arranger goes off instantly when chord is released! Great for adding start stop effects instantly without pressing buttons or catch up with irregular timings or ... In some models, you can program CRASH to sound when arranger goes off .. great e.g for Gospel music!

SYNC START ON, SYNC STOP ON:-
Play a chord in Arranger section and arranger plays. Release chord and Arranger stops immediately. In some modules you can program so that a CRASH sound is heard when released. Great to add realistic effects/drum rolls e.g when ending a song.

SYNC START OFF, SYNC STOP OFF:-
Drums only are heard when Arranger is played. No chords nor bass.

Ofcourse you can program different settings into different song memories/registrations.

Thanks,

AJ

Never say never (stop)..

But seriously, how do you insert a 3/4 measure in a 4/4 song when you're in arranger mode?

When I owned the Solton X1 - which was a decent sounding keyboard - but was unpleasantly heavy and had so many repair issues that I had to send it back three times - it had a reset button making it easy to start over after beat three.

With Yamaha, you have to stop and then instantly start over at beat three. If you miss something, you really ruin the song with awkward silence and you have egg on your face as a performer.

Beaky,
Yamahas have a user-adjustable Sync Stop "window," which allows the style to function normally most of the time. But if you release the keys for a pre-specified duration, the style will stop completely. The next time you press a key in the chord area, it will restart the pattern on beat 1. You might have to adjust your playing style a little to compensate (hold your chords down, instead of press and release.)

If it's a slow piece, another option would be to use one of Yamaha's great "free play" styles, which are purposely created to allow playing rubato. I was able to translate one of these to work on my Korg PA800, but they sound better on their native Yamahas. I wish the other manufacturers would develop factory styles like this!

Finally, there are 3rd party tools that allow insertion of a 3/4 fill in a 4/4 style. I've never used it, but the creator of this utility was either Michael Bedesem, Jorgen Sorensen, Paul Tumelty, or Heiko Plate (Forgive me guys, I can't remember which one!) There are tons of 3rd party tools for Yamaha styles that allow a user to do things on a PC that you can't do on the board itself. Good luck!

Jorgen's site has several tools to edit styles in a way not available on the instrument, such as half-bar fills, different time signatures within a style, to name only a few.

http://www.jososoft.dk/yamaha/

At one time, needing to edit and store a "special" style was a pain, but, today's arrangers have vastly increased on-board storage, it is no longer an issue.

Many thanks to Jorgen, and all the others, who have made these tools available for free.

Ian

Thanks, Ian. I use Jorgen's tools including the one you mention. I created a style to get a 2/4 measure into "I'll Never Fall in Love Again."

I was trying to use his software to create a style with a 3/4 fill for All You Need is Love, but something got messed up and the style sounded out of tune and weird afterwards.

I use Sync Stop a little bit, but I guess I never got good at it. It's easy to mess up, for example if you forget to turn it off and you take your hand off the keys ... you can ruin the song.