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#349085 - 08/14/12 02:15 AM
Re: Korg MicroArranger for Sale
[Re: bruno123]
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Senior Member
Registered: 09/21/02
Posts: 5519
Loc: Port Charlotte,FL,USA
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I can't get my head around the OS either, but the sounds are so good that I use mine to compliment other keyboards.
Bernie
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pa4X 76 ,SX900, Audya 76,Yamaha S970 , vArranger, Hammond SK1, Ketron SD40, Centerpoint Space Station, Bose compact
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#349119 - 08/14/12 05:16 PM
Re: Korg MicroArranger for Sale
[Re: bruno123]
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Registered: 03/19/02
Posts: 1098
Loc: Cambridge, Cambs, England
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Boys!
Am I glad to hear you all agree that the operating system is 'unfriendly'. When I was at Pakefield last year, I remarked that I thought most of the modern keyboard's O.S. are far from 'User Friendly particularly the Tyros keyboards and there was a shocked silence for a moment, followed by a lot of protests at my remark. However, I still think that in view of the way technology has moved on these past few years, particularly in the 'User Friendly' area, I do not understand why the keyboard manufacturers haven't kept up with it. I agree the keyboards themselves have excellent programming facilities which when used properly are 'magic' but they are badly let down by the O.S. and the Manuals (if you can get one) which are often badly written and/or designed causing much confusion as a result people give up on them.
I have to admit that if it wasn't for friendly Forums such as this one, I would have gone back to an acoustic piano or organ, years ago. Through these Forums and the kindnes of it's members, I have learned so much for which, I shall be forever grateful.
Audrey
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#349121 - 08/14/12 05:37 PM
Re: Korg MicroArranger for Sale
[Re: Audrey Turner]
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Senior Member
Registered: 06/04/02
Posts: 4912
Loc: West Palm Beach, FL 33417
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Boys!
Am I glad to hear you all agree that the operating system is 'unfriendly'. When I was at Pakefield last year, I remarked that I thought most of the modern keyboard's O.S. are far from 'User Friendly particularly the Tyros keyboards and there was a shocked silence for a moment, followed by a lot of protests at my remark. However, I still think that in view of the way technology has moved on these past few years, particularly in the 'User Friendly' area, I do not understand why the keyboard manufacturers haven't kept up with it. I agree the keyboards themselves have excellent programming facilities which when used properly are 'magic' but they are badly let down by the O.S. and the Manuals (if you can get one) which are often badly written and/or designed causing much confusion as a result people give up on them.
I have to admit that if it wasn't for friendly Forums such as this one, I would have gone back to an acoustic piano or organ, years ago. Through these Forums and the kindnes of it's members, I have learned so much for which, I shall be forever grateful.
Audrey
Hi Audrey, you can always count on me to bring a different view – sorry. I have owned Technics, Yamaha and Korg keyboards and the only way I succeeded with Yamaha and Korg was to clear my mind of how Technics’s worked. After the many years of dedication to Technics that was not an easy task. My age did not make it Any easier.
1-I would ask myself how can I do what I did on my Kn7 on the Tyros? Wrong question. The creator of the Tyros keyboard wants me to use the keyboard as he designed and not as Technics designed theirs. Wow, the Bible is saying the same thing. 2-How long did it take me to master the Technics Kn1000? And didn’t each new Technics model increase my knowledge of how to work the new keyboard? 3-Yamaha and Korg also have easy OS system. Each time I talk to a player who is going to a different make keyboard I would hear the same thing. “Boy this new keyboard is very friendly”. 4-With each new option on a keyboard comes another learning curve; and aren’t we all asking for more new options.
IMHO, John C.
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#349131 - 08/15/12 02:55 AM
Re: Korg MicroArranger for Sale
[Re: bruno123]
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Senior Member
Registered: 09/21/02
Posts: 5519
Loc: Port Charlotte,FL,USA
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John
I never intended to sell my KMA. For the small amount paid, I get a lot of contrasting sounds and styles.
I took it to the band gig Monday with the Nord organ board. The combination was great. I didn't think that little thing could hold it's own-wrong. It cut through the mix wonderfully.
I have connected it to the KN7000 with Midi and triggered the the left hand as stated. It worked well after I chose the right setting on the KN7000.
I know the basics of playing styles and performances, and save to the user area. I still have to figure out how you got two banks of instruments for instant recall.
I saw you just sold your KMA, so didn't know if you could still help me.
I'll call you anyway.
Bernie
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pa4X 76 ,SX900, Audya 76,Yamaha S970 , vArranger, Hammond SK1, Ketron SD40, Centerpoint Space Station, Bose compact
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#349136 - 08/15/12 04:01 AM
Re: Korg MicroArranger for Sale
[Re: bruno123]
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Senior Member
Registered: 01/16/02
Posts: 2330
Loc: North Yorkshire UK
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Hi John, Thanks for your comments - they are appreciated I bought the Korg MA back in March this year, just out of interest and have been experimenting with it over the past 5 months. No matter how I try, I just cannot get comfortable with the OS. I even printed out the full manual, but as Audrey mentioned, like many other user manuals - including Technics - they are badly written and often do not explain fully how to achieve particular operations. A good example of the shortcomings of the KMA system : To load a completely new song set-up from an SD Card on the KN7000 takes as little as 3 or 4 button pushes and the new set-up is ready after a couple of seconds. On the KMA, you virtually have to 'jump through hoops' to achieve the same result...... I realise that every manufacturer has different ideas about how a keyboard should work, but I still maintain that the Technics range - going way back - have always been the most friendly and intuitive operating systems. When moving up through the 'Top of the Range' KNs, the OS remained essentially the same even as new facilities were added to the next model, so the learning curve was fairly minimal. As far as connecting the KMA via MIDI to my KN7000 to allow the use of the KMA styles and sounds, that is not really of any interest to me. I much prefer to make my own styles in the KN7000, which are suited to a particular song/tune, rather than use the 'stock' 4 measure repeating styles, which get a bit boring after a while. I also frequently 'make' my own sounds as well to suit the song I'm playing, either starting from scratch using the excellent samples in the KN7000, or modifying an existing KN sound. The editing facilities within the KN7000 are just so comprehensive that the sky is the limit !! Trying to do a similar thing in the KMA and the Tyros is a bit of a nightmare....... So, although I've had a bit of 'Fun' with the KMA - and I use the term loosely - I'm afraid it will be for sale in the very near future and I'll use the proceeds to buy something less frustrating - Like a few bottles of fine Malt Whiskey.......
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Willum
After silence, that which comes nearest to expressing the inexpressible is Music. Aldous Huxley ( especially when the music is played on a KN7000....)
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#349161 - 08/15/12 04:07 PM
Re: Korg MicroArranger for Sale
[Re: Bill Norrie]
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Registered: 03/19/02
Posts: 1098
Loc: Cambridge, Cambs, England
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Bill - Couldn't have put it better myself. John - I take it you are assuming I'm having trouble understanding the O.S. if that's the case you couldn't be more wrong. I just think there is too much 'button pushing' to achieve even the smallest result, plus I was under the impression the Tyros keyboards operated much the same as a computer - wrong again. When I copy/cut and paste anything on my computer, it is a faithful copy of the original, pasted anywhere I choose, whereas with the keyboard, you have to make sure it goes to the correct area (styles/regits etc.) and lord help you, if you use a third party style,or even change the icon, sometimes it wont paste at all. With the KN keyboards, you can modify and resave, or give it a new name, and all will be saved in the same Folder it was originally in, complete with the new changes. As you know, it can then be called up either by Folder, Alphabetical or Numerical - no messing about with going into the Songs/Styles/Registrations first before pressing the button that will actually bring up the tune and because of all the 'phuffing' about, I do not get the same pleasure playing my Tyros 4 that I do when playing the KN7000. So! for me, the KN7 is still "THE KING" of the keyboards.
Audrey
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