Any specs on weight/size?

A bit more 'pro' than most of us here will be needing. Flying rig supports? Here? LOL!

Plus, at 2K Watts per speaker, unless we are trying to euthanize our NH and restaurant audiences, maybe a bit of overkill?

Street price will be about $700 a pop for the 8", $850 each for the 12's, and $1000 for the sub. Weight, for the output DOES seem pretty good though (ClassD amplification does away with big tranformers)... 21lbs, 30lbs and 47lbs respectively.

Nice. Not shipping yet, though.

Awesome Frank thanx.......Mackie is all I use

This looks interesting.Now with the design, I don't know how good they will sound.

Now, 2000w?

If they deliver 1000w it's a lot.I have tried other qsc,jbl,ev that claim 1000w and they are now even close.
But they are nice speakers,especially JBL prx600 series.

Time will show about Mackies.
I do like that they have 1.75 inch driver.

Has anyone tried mackie dl1602 digital mixer?

I think a lot depends more on the efficiency of the speakers than how many watts they have driving them. ClassD amps, on the whole, don't deliver the sheer oomph that ClassA or A/B amps do (the traditional, heavy transformer types), so 2000W isn't QUITE what you would expect. Plus, Mackie make no detailed specs available yet, so 2000W at what %THD? RMS or peak?

We don't know yet. They may very well need 2000W at their specs to equal 1000W of JBL or QSC (who tend to be much more 'techie' with their spec data) power, we don't really know yet. Peak volume seems to be comparable to QSC's K series (the 10" QSC's peak volume is about the same as the Mackie 12", so where all that extra power is going, I don't know). But interestingly, the QSC's claim only 1000W continuous, but 2000W peak, so this may be a more accurate indication of what the Mackie's true power output is at.

The QSC's (which a few friend's have, and I have heard and played through) interestingly also have a 1.75" horn diaphragm, so you may very well be looking at Mackie's answer to the K-Series QSC's. If the Mackie's compare sonically with the QSC's, which are among my favorite small, powerful speakers at the moment, as the price is similar, they may have a winner.

But still rather more than most here really need...

Right on Diki.

I think it's probably 2000w peak power.

I too like K10.Very nice for singing.

I just used a pair of the Yamaha DXR10 speakers for an outside gig. They are rated at 1100w but that is a peak like mirza said. They sounded great and it was plenty of power for the event.

All the companies are playing the numbers game with their marketing strategy. QSC started it with the K series @ 1000w... Yamaha went with 1100w for the DXR and 1300w for the DSR line... then Line 6 introduced the SoundSource L3t at 1400w! Mackie has raised the number to 2000w and a new, innovative design with the science to back it up. The true test will be the ears. Are they made in China?!? In their own factory?!?

http://www.qscaudio.com/products/speakers/k_series/
http://www.yamahaproaudio.com/global/en/products/speakers/dxr/index.jsp
http://www.yamahaproaudio.com/global/en/products/speakers/dsr_series/
http://line6.com/stagesource-l3t/

Just curious, what were you running through those Yamaha DXR10's ? I like them because of the built in 3 channel mixer and stereo link feature. Plus yamaha quality.
Thanks

i hear the "new" Yamaha DXR line is AWESOME...
and many prefer over the QSC K's
i have the HPR12's, plus a pair of 181W subs

as far as the Yamaha's i have not heard them but was gonna buy 1 10" for monitors, and/or speech only function

i LOVE that 3 channel mixer on the back of Yamaha,
makes them quite versatile

i guess i'll wait for these new QSC maybe the 8"
and compare to Yamaha's DXR 8" or 10",
probably the DXR 10" as the 8" cannot be wedged :-)

Don't overlook Electro-Voice. Crystal clear and smooth lows from the ZX line. Passive zx1's (8") and sb122 subs (12") give you more and weigh less. If you prefer powered go with zxa1 sub (12")and zxa1 tops (8"). $600 for powered sub and $500 for satellite. Review in Musician's Friend catalog just in. Descriptions, specs, snd engineering data sheets here (SB122 sub under SX series):

EV

I also can recommend the M-Audio GSR series. Has LOTS of positive user feedback (not store/manufacturer generated) so I took a punt.

They sound really sweet and are the FIRST PA set I have bought that did not need any tweaking (including the mighty Bose L1 model I and II) out of the box.

Simply set them up turned them on and began to play. And the price is astounding!!!!

I did buy two tops and the sub, but so far I am only using a mono system 1 top and 1 sub...sounds brilliant. Better imo to the Bose.

jm2c

How can we compare a 15" speaker to a 12" ?
In theory the 15 would have more power? or more bottom?
I would prefer to buy speakers in this order of importance 1-weight,2-power-3-price

EV knows what they're doing. Their 12" sub does better than others' 15's. They also get 12" performance from their 8" zx1's. Just go hear them- they have the technology-they have rebuilt them....

Mackies of course are not shipping yet so there isn't a way to know how they will sound. They are taking stuff from their EAW line and using it in the Mackie lines.

The one thing that really stands out above the size, is that they are a co-ax design, which has always sounded better than a traditional horn and woofer. The number game does look like it's being played here too.

I carry
Yamaha DXR and DSR lines
HK Audio Elements
FBT and RCF.

The new Yamaha DXR are a direct competitor with the QSC K boxes, but with a slightly lower price point. I have A/B'd them both, and for the less money, the DXR wins

the HK Elements does the portable line array set-up that can be scaled to what you need.

But I think Mackie might be on to something, they kept the price very competitive and with new ideas, as long as the sound is good, and they are reliable, I expect to sell allot of these guys.

I should be getting my order of DL series mixers in the next couple of weeks.

Bill...
Here was my set up for the wedding reception on Saturday.

Signal Chain...
Yamaha Motif ES7 - Piano Sounds and Full Sequences
Sonar VS-100 - WAV files on SD playing sequences from older workstations
CD Player
iPod from the Bride
Apple Mac Book Pro running iTunes using a Tascam US-122 Interface
Shure Beta58a Male vocal (me)
Audio Technica 3000 series wireless vocal (my wife)
Line 6 Wireless for speeches.

All went into the Mackie DFX12 mixer
No processors direct into the DXR10 via the XLR... one left and one right.

Played all types of music through the night. Not a big dancing crowd but still played some modern dance stuff. A bunch of country line dancing songs. Those 10" little speakers did extremely well on the low end. Outdoors, I could have used a sub but it was raining off and on and the power was limited. We were under a tent but when the bass was pumping at the end, the rope light we had on faded during the kick drums.

I own...
RCF ART 312a (Main Speakers for big gigs)
RCF ART 310a (Monitors or Main for smaller gigs)
Yamaha MSR100 (Use at church for contemporary service)

The RCF speakers sound great, that's why I bought them. I do need to tweek them a bit because the mid range they produce. The Yamaha DXR10 sound great on there own with out any type of processing. At $599 a box, they are the better choice over the K10. If they were available when I bought my RCF 310a, I would have picked the Yamaha DXR10.

~Johnathan

HILARIOUS youtube clip on these...


[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IeDRLmH9xCQ[/youtube]

What has my interest piqued is the Mackie digital mixer platform that uses your iPad...

Looks really cool...one could buy a used iPAd 2 and have a 2nd iPad for the mixer...can't find it out here yet though, and who knows what the pricing will be out here??!!!

But $500 or so for each iPad... a traditional mixer would be vastly cheaper.

And iPads still don't multitask... You use one for the mixer, you can't use it for your lyric displays, or the Garage Band loop playback, or the MP3 player, or the synth app, etc..

I still don't have one of these. I think they need to get quite a bit more powerful before I do. That's a lot of dough to tie up in something that can't do two things at a time!

Plus, the DLM's only have TWO inputs. That's perhaps OK if you are a solo act with the barest minimum of needs. Saying they have a 'digital mixer' built in seems a bit of a stretch. A 2 channel digital mixer, maybe. But who has ever bought a TWO channel mixer?! Anyone joins you onstage, you are screwed!

A good idea, poorly executed, IMO.

That's what I was saying buy a SECOND ipad...jeez they are cheap enough now...I can get a decent s/h one out here for about $275 if you are patient enough - I even think and iPAd 1 will run on that Mackie box..

I have been musing on a second iPad for a while now...but now Microsoft have release details of the Surface to run with Windows 8, I might hold off, get one of those and load up vArranger on it...I will be avoiding the RT version of W8 though...

But it (the Mackie) could have been better designed I agree totally...

I use my ipad for lyrics/lead sheets, and qmix my PreSonus Studiolive mixer at the same time, so yes they can multi-task.

With the new Mackie DL mixer, you can do the same, once the ipad is removed from the DL and a wifi router is connected, you can wirelessly mix, even without a wireless, it can be removed and all settings stay at the last position

I like the concept of new Mackie mixer,but I think Presonus Studiolive 1602 is better buy.It's probably the best mixer for the money.

Jonathan

Thanks for the info on your gig with the DXR's. The new Mackies are light and have effects built in but no stereo link. I don't know if stereo is that important but I'd like to not carry a mixer. I'm in a toss up between the DXR10 and the Mackie 8 or maybe 12's. Interesting that you could get a decent DJ sound going with the 10's. That was one of my big questions.

Thanks again