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#350316 - 09/04/12 07:48 AM New Yamaha Premium Styles from late August 2012
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#350342 - 09/04/12 12:39 PM Re: New Yamaha Premium Styles from late August 2012 [Re: Beakybird]
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I bought the same style's a year ago as songstyles at http://www.d-o-o.de/
Style sugar baby love and Silence is golden.

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#350352 - 09/04/12 02:27 PM Re: New Yamaha Premium Styles from late August 2012 [Re: Beakybird]
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This is what worries me about the S950's audio styles. If it takes Yamaha this long to come out with a paltry TWO new styles (which aren't new at all, just bought or licensed from d-o-o) MIDI styles, who honestly thinks that Yamaha are going to churn out AUDIO styles, which are much more complex to produce, at a greater rate?
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#350355 - 09/04/12 02:55 PM Re: New Yamaha Premium Styles from late August 2012 [Re: Beakybird]
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As the kids would say...old people's music..lol

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#350360 - 09/04/12 03:22 PM Re: New Yamaha Premium Styles from late August 2012 [Re: Dnj]
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Originally Posted By: Dnj
As the kids would say...old people's music..lol


Can't believe it. I'm agreeing with Donny twice in one year. If that's an example of 'Premium' styles, I'd hate to here what 'standard' styles sound like. These 'styles' (or at least those demos) illustrate everything that is wrong about arranger keyboard playing. If I had to listen to that all night, I know for a fact that I'd kill myself (Donny, don't get any ideas about pumping it into my house smile smile ). Can't believe anybody would shell out thousands of dollars to reproduce THAT. JMO, of course. Of course, if you DO like it, you probably have already reached the age of creeping senility.

Of course I'm saying this all in jest.........I'm really crazy about it.

chas
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#350364 - 09/04/12 04:02 PM Re: New Yamaha Premium Styles from late August 2012 [Re: Impuls]
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Originally Posted By: Impuls
I bought the same style's a year ago as songstyles at http://www.d-o-o.de/
Style sugar baby love and Silence is golden.

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The Sugar Baby Love style at d-o-o.de doesn't sound anything like the Yamaha style. The Silence is Golden style sounds a little bit like the Yamaha style but if you listen to them side by side it's obvious that although the styles cover the same song that they are produced differently.

These aren't recycled styles. I like the Yamaha Premium styles. Many of them sound just as good as the styles that are on the keyboard.

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#350366 - 09/04/12 04:20 PM Re: New Yamaha Premium Styles from late August 2012 [Re: Beakybird]
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If these are premium styles,than there is really no future for arrangers.How many new rumbas do we really need.
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#350368 - 09/04/12 04:37 PM Re: New Yamaha Premium Styles from late August 2012 [Re: Beakybird]
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The more you listen to Karma and modern WS arps, the more you realize that arrangers ARE dead. There is no future. They have been deliberately relegated to playing legacy music styles ONLY, and if you want to sound REMOTELY contemporary (within the last 15-20 years!), you are simply going to have to go out and buy a WS.
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#350373 - 09/04/12 05:02 PM Re: New Yamaha Premium Styles from late August 2012 [Re: Beakybird]
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Originally Posted By: Beakybird


These aren't recycled styles. I like the Yamaha Premium styles. Many of them sound just as good as the styles that are on the keyboard.


I like the Premium Styles too...especially with the Tyros4 and it's ability to use SA/SA2 Voices in the styles.

Most of my clients, as registered users, receive info on the latest Premium Styles via email, but it is also good to see the demo links posted here as well.

Both these styles will also be great starting points for making more styles (using Style Creator/Assembly), or one can change their character by re-voicing the parts, and yes, I agree they sound every bit as good as the on-board styles.

Ian

PS...I find the Premium Styles much better balanced than the DOO Styles.
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#350374 - 09/04/12 05:08 PM Re: New Yamaha Premium Styles from late August 2012 [Re: Beakybird]
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I agree with Ian, The yamaha styles are slicker and better balanced. The Doo styles are like a nutter hammering shit out of a set of drums - HEAVY!! TOO HEAVY. I have emailed them in the past. Their styles always sound robotic, where the yamaha ones sound more natural.

HELLO IAN by the way.

Leigh

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#350377 - 09/04/12 05:28 PM Re: New Yamaha Premium Styles from late August 2012 [Re: Beakybird]
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Hi Leigh,

I found that the programmers for a lot of the DOO styles were trying for a more aggressive sound overall, and tried to achieve it by attempting to work with the balance (or mix) of the style parts.

I have rescued quite a few to work for my needs by more judicious use of panning, and carefully adjusting the volume, EQ, Effects, and Filter for individual style parts. Thankfully, on the Yamaha's, this is pretty easy.

On the DOO styles, it seems they just boosted the overall volume.

Ian

PS...not all the DOO styles were bad...there were also quite a few that were very well done.
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#350421 - 09/05/12 07:45 AM Re: New Yamaha Premium Styles from late August 2012 [Re: Beakybird]
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Lets face it Yamaha styles are geared for the older adult
ex organ home player/ballroom dancers compared to anything you would hear today on the charts, but hey, that's their strength and selling point for arrangers,......keeping the two camps separate Arranger/WS is good marketing strategy which in turn sells more units world wide, more choice more money,........the younger generation doesn't want to know premium Rumba styles, especially in the USA, etc, etc,... all the tools are available out there to make great music....and you don't need automatic styles to do that.....a good pro will just create track by track the music they need on any good WS..."THE WAY YOU WANT IT TO SOUND".....and that is what is driving "TODAYS" Music, coupled with computers the sky is the limit, creating your own tracks allows the musician to be so creative in every component of the music for a professional player, create your own bass lines, horn stabs, sax solos, string sections, drum solos, etc..its doesnt have to be repetitive style play,.. Auto arranger style play is OK and has had it's time and is still available to use for the right audiences, & home affectionatos,but, there's no denying the truth on what's out there in the music world TODAY. Take the blinders off and it will open your eyes to a whole new world of music. headphone


Edited by Dnj (09/05/12 07:48 AM)

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#350432 - 09/05/12 11:49 AM Re: New Yamaha Premium Styles from late August 2012 [Re: Dnj]
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Originally Posted By: Dnj
Lets face it Yamaha styles are geared for the older adult
ex organ home player/ballroom dancers compared to anything you would hear today on the charts, but hey, that's their strength and selling point for arrangers,......keeping the two camps separate Arranger/WS is good marketing strategy which in turn sells more units world wide, more choice more money,........the younger generation doesn't want to know premium Rumba styles, especially in the USA, etc, etc,... all the tools are available out there to make great music....and you don't need automatic styles to do that.....a good pro will just create track by track the music they need on any good WS..."THE WAY YOU WANT IT TO SOUND".....and that is what is driving "TODAYS" Music, coupled with computers the sky is the limit, creating your own tracks allows the musician to be so creative in every component of the music for a professional player, create your own bass lines, horn stabs, sax solos, string sections, drum solos, etc..its doesnt have to be repetitive style play,.. Auto arranger style play is OK and has had it's time and is still available to use for the right audiences, & home affectionatos,but, there's no denying the truth on what's out there in the music world TODAY. Take the blinders off and it will open your eyes to a whole new world of music. headphone


I'm 50 years old, and I'm not an expert on the newest music, but I hear a lot of Yamaha styles in the dance and pop category that to my ears do reflect the newest sounds and even more that's great for today's adult contemporary music.

I think that Yamaha's arrangers have something in it for everyone, but there's no denying that there is a greater breadth of styles for older music.

And I want to again defend Yamaha Premium Styles from those who flamed the styles this thread is about. If you like '60's and '70's, you're probably going to like those styles. The Premium Styles are almost always seamlessly produced and take advantage of the keyboard's best voices.

They are too expensive though. I won't defend Yamaha there.

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#350446 - 09/05/12 04:24 PM Re: New Yamaha Premium Styles from late August 2012 [Re: Beakybird]
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Originally Posted By: Beakybird
And I want to again defend Yamaha Premium Styles from those who flamed the styles this thread is about. If you like '60's and '70's, you're probably going to like those styles. The Premium Styles are almost always seamlessly produced and take advantage of the keyboard's best voices.

They are too expensive though. I won't defend Yamaha there.





And there are only TWO...

With mere MIDI styles costing this much, anyone want to take a wild guess as to what they are going to charge for audio drum styles for the new PSR's?

After all, with only 25 or so in a 400+ style arranger, you are sure going to want a boatload more of them if they are any good!

How long, at this pace of production, do you think it is going to take before you are content?
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