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#351545 - 09/22/12 08:10 AM Re: NEW Korg KROME [Re: Dnj]
elwoodblues1969 Offline
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Registered: 09/17/10
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Just wondering....why is the Krome(workstation),in the arranger forum?
I had a difficult time trying to find my way back to this particular thread-which wouldn't have been a problem at all,if the Krome discussion was in the correct category.

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#351570 - 09/22/12 05:08 PM Re: NEW Korg KROME [Re: Dnj]
Diki Offline


Registered: 04/25/05
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Most modern WS's can also double as basic arrangers, with the arp and loop features they have. The boundary between the two is getting blurrier and blurrier...
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#351585 - 09/23/12 02:20 AM Re: NEW Korg KROME [Re: Diki]
Tony Hughes Offline
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Registered: 01/30/06
Posts: 3944
Originally Posted By: Diki
Most modern WS's can also double as basic arrangers, with the arp and loop features they have. The boundary between the two is getting blurrier and blurrier...


It's the Micro Brews Diki that's making things blurrred drink confused2 Tell me oh wise one, what do you really think of the Kronos ????

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#351590 - 09/23/12 06:28 AM Re: NEW Korg KROME [Re: Diki]
cgiles Offline
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Registered: 09/29/05
Posts: 6703
Loc: Roswell,GA/USA
Originally Posted By: Diki

As was pointed out earlier, Korg are using the keybed from the Korg SV-1 73. This was a product brought out to answer the success of the Nord Electro (also in a 73 size). The thing is, these products are aimed quite squarely at those that are infatuated with the retro, Rhodes Stage emulators so popular right now. I don't know if you've noticed, but retro keyboards are all the rage with young players these days. Wurlitzer EP200's, Fender Rhodes, Mellotron's, old analog and early digital synths, I think because they aren't the current 'black slab' look of WS keyboards, with little stage personality, they make you look 'cool' onstage (where 50 year old guitar designs still dominate too!).

The trouble is, once you get away from wanting to emulate an old Rhodes, the loss of keys is simply a fashion, not out of any practical necessity. Ten years ago, you would have found room for a 76 if 61 wasn't enough and 88 was too much... simply because that was all there was!

Korg are saving money by using a keybed designed for a stage piano for a product that has nothing to do with it..! Look, there was a GOOD reason we moved AWAY from the Rhodes73 layout. More notes is a good thing.

I'm sorry, but I really think that the width of the product is the LAST thing on Korg's mind when they make this decision. They are simply saving themselves money be using common components in utterly different products. But a MUSICAL need for less? There isn't one!


Diki, although I agree with most of your posts (including this one - I see no reason for a '73') but sometimes I think one can 'overthink' a buying decision. The real joy in aquiring something (at least for me) is much more viceral than logical. The 'stuff' I like most is 'stuff' I bought just because I wanted it, because I liked the looks of it or the sound of it. One of my favorite keyboards is my VP770 and that only has 49 keys. I never gave that a thought when I bought it (or the VP550 before it). Same with my Nord C1; where were the drawbars? Oh well, it's still pretty cool. Does that mean that one should totally disregard the details of function and utility? Of course not, BUT, obsessing over every single detail ad nauseum (nothing on this earth or in this life, is perfect), really CAN just suck the life out of our favorite pastime - ooohhhing, ahhhing, lusting after, and ultimately buying, our favorite toy, the keyboard.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not advocating ignoring any and all shortcomings (perceived or real). I'm just saying that sometimes feeding the 'soul' is more important that obsessing over some minor deficiency, and that focusing on the positive can be far more (sensually) rewarding than micro-scrutinizing looking for any perceived (and it IS subjective) flaw. Nobody's stupid; there isn't a single one of us that wouldn't like a fully loaded Mediastation, but few of us would actually buy one - there is SOME compromise between lust and lunacy smile . Still, I've got Dom's number on file smile smile .

I'm not knocking you, Diki. The stuff you point out is absolutely essential information before making a buying decision, but how about some POSITIVE stuff once in awhile.

Take care, my brother,

chas
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#351613 - 09/23/12 05:41 PM Re: NEW Korg KROME [Re: Dnj]
Diki Offline


Registered: 04/25/05
Posts: 14266
Loc: NW Florida
I think this forum is already MORE than adequately served with positive information..! The optimism when any new gear comes out, however, is seldom tempered by any degree of caution about the glowing press releases and often misleading hype.

The enthusiasm for products like the MS and the Audya have often been followed by quite a bit of buyer's remorse when some of the 'gotchas' finally surface. I simply feel it my task, while all else go dewy-eyed at every last new thing that comes out, to point out some of these 'gotchas' that slip by initial optimism.

I have played the Kronos, and thought it was an excellent piece of kit. Rather more than my budget allows, currently, and to be honest, more than I need, as much of what it does is already covered by other gear I already have. So, probably not in my future...

If I DID need a Kronos, I WOULD probably buy the 73 rather than the 88, and at least the Kronos 73 STARTS on the low E, so my LH chores wouldn't be compromised (the Nord's start at the F), but I sure wouldn't be happy about it! For starters, that's a WOOD feel 73, not plastic, so great for piano sounds, not so good for organ and synth. Not offering a 70-something plastic action is a big step back, IMO.

But, who can fight fashion?!
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#351627 - 09/24/12 05:01 AM Re: NEW Korg KROME [Re: cgiles]
Tony Hughes Offline
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Registered: 01/30/06
Posts: 3944
Originally Posted By: cgiles
Originally Posted By: Diki

As was pointed out earlier, Korg are using the keybed from the Korg SV-1 73. This was a product brought out to answer the success of the Nord Electro (also in a 73 size). The thing is, these products are aimed quite squarely at those that are infatuated with the retro, Rhodes Stage emulators so popular right now. I don't know if you've noticed, but retro keyboards are all the rage with young players these days. Wurlitzer EP200's, Fender Rhodes, Mellotron's, old analog and early digital synths, I think because they aren't the current 'black slab' look of WS keyboards, with little stage personality, they make you look 'cool' onstage (where 50 year old guitar designs still dominate too!).

The trouble is, once you get away from wanting to emulate an old Rhodes, the loss of keys is simply a fashion, not out of any practical necessity. Ten years ago, you would have found room for a 76 if 61 wasn't enough and 88 was too much... simply because that was all there was!

Korg are saving money by using a keybed designed for a stage piano for a product that has nothing to do with it..! Look, there was a GOOD reason we moved AWAY from the Rhodes73 layout. More notes is a good thing.

I'm sorry, but I really think that the width of the product is the LAST thing on Korg's mind when they make this decision. They are simply saving themselves money be using common components in utterly different products. But a MUSICAL need for less? There isn't one!




how about some POSITIVE stuff once in awhile.

Take care, my brother,

chas


Chas,

Miracles take a little longer, just wait a while, have you got time on your side??? rotf2

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#351964 - 10/01/12 12:47 PM Re: NEW Korg KROME [Re: Dnj]
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