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#351657 - 09/24/12 05:34 PM
Re: Yamaha PSRS-950 now at Kaye's Music Scene!
[Re: George Kaye]
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George, thanks for confirming that the SA voices do indeed work. That's very important to me, as I make my own styles all the time, and the ability to use SA voices in a style is tremendous. Think SA guitars, I know you have mega voices, but it's much easier to use the Super Articulation.
(Side note:) Sometimes when you select a guitar (regular OR Super Articulation) in style creator, the effects are suddenly lost, this is a known problem from Yamaha. I hope they fix it, but for the meantime, the way around it is: BEFORE going in to style creator, see (in mixing console) which effects are used, make note of it, and then just reapply them when in style creator. (End of side note)
One more thing, can you try the .wav to multipad feature? The thing where you can play audio files (from the usb) by pressing a multi pad?
To make a video, all you need is a camera and a youtube account, once the video is on your computer (or phone) go to your youtube account, put in the name, tags, etc. for the video and upload. Once its done you can share it with the link.
Let me know if you need more help with that.
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#351670 - 09/24/12 09:23 PM
Re: Yamaha PSRS-950 now at Kaye's Music Scene!
[Re: George Kaye]
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Registered: 11/24/99
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I have already tried the .wav to multipad feature on the PSRS-750 and it works perfectly. I assigned all 4 multipads to 4 .wav songs I have on a usb drive. Once selected I saved this multipad bank in the user area. When I call up another style and with the one touch link light on, the multipads changed. When I then select my user bank it took about 3 seconds for the 4 full length .wav songs to light up and be usable.
To answer the question regarding how good the audio styles are you need to know that unlike the ketron audya styles where all the ones I heard sounded like they were all done in the same studio with the same microphones, the Yamaha was totally different in my opinion. Yamaha choose different mics, different rooms, different ambiance for each audio style. As I mentioned earlier, the pop and rock 60's audio drums sound just like you would have heard on a record recorded back in 1960. The quality of mics, effects, etc. were very different than we had say in the 90's. The drum set used in the Rhythm and blues styles sound very "live" and more contemporary in Yamaha's choice of mics, etc. In the dance styles the drums are a mix of electronic and live and sound very contemporary. The 2 audio styles in the Jazz and Swing styles also show a very live and real brush and cymbal audio loop. To some it up, I think you will find the Yamaha audio styles to be very different from the Audya files. This is not to say one is better but you will have to experience this yourself. My first impression when only hearing the 2 in the pop and rock catagory was mixed. I didn't really understand if the ambiance I was hearing was what I was expecting. I quickly realized that this audio style's drum track was exactly the type of drum track you would have heard in those two 60's tracks. It wasn't until I listened to the Latin styles, the Jazz styles, the R&B styles that I understood what was being presented to me the player. Soon enough you will all get to hear these styles at stores near you I hope and then I will enjoy reading your experience with the 950. Customers in my store today loved it! And all those superarticulation guitars from the tyros4 are really amazing!
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#351775 - 09/27/12 09:49 AM
Re: Yamaha PSRS-950 now at Kaye's Music Scene!
[Re: George Kaye]
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FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE PRLog (Press Release) - Sep 24, 2012 - BUENA PARK, Calif.—Yamaha Keyboard Division announces the upcoming release of the PSR-S950 and PSR-S750 arranger keyboards. Available at authorized Yamaha dealers nationwide in September 2012, the instruments will also be featured in a special showcase event at Winter NAMM 2013. Featuring Super Articulation Voices, Styles and a number of advanced connectivity options, these arrangers now offer possibilities previously only found on higher-end Yamaha instruments, like the acclaimed Tyros4 arranger keyboard. The PSR-S950 arranger keyboard debuts Audio Style technology, bringing the realism, nuance and character of live drums and percussion to Styles. Each Audio Style adds a track of tempo-synch’ed audio from drummers and percussionists around the world. It also features Vocal Harmony 2, a tool that augments singers’ vocals with 3-part harmonies and effects using the newly added Mic/Line In capability. Additionally, the upgraded color screen on the S950 makes the interface clearer and easier to read, while a brushed metal data entry wheel allows for simpler programming. “The PSR-S950 represents an evolutionary leap forward for the PSR line, offering sound innovation, vocal harmony features, pro-quality accompaniment features and comprehensive recording capabilities,” says Mark Anderson, Director of Marketing, Yamaha Keyboard Division. “Audio Styles, just one of many remarkable new tools, give performances greater expressive potential by adding real audio drum and percussion parts to Yamaha’s Guitar Enhanced Style engine, producing a natural feel, ambience and warmth. The PSR-S950 is a truly powerful addition to any musician’s arsenal - whether they are playing live, writing a song or producing music.” Both the PSR-S950 and PSR-S750 models feature highly expressive Super Articulation Voices and offer “Real Distortion” DSP, which adds high-quality distortion and overdrive effects to instrument Voices like guitar and electric piano. The keyboards allow for the addition of Voices and Styles by loading Yamaha's ever-growing library of Voice and Style Expansions into the 64MB FlashROM. Players can also assign and trigger WAV audio with Yamaha's new Audio Link Multi-Pads, and a re-designed speaker box has extended lows along with a highly efficient digital amplifier and digital EQ to perfectly tailor the overall sound. “The PSR-S750 provides Yamaha's outstanding Super Articulation Voice technology at a never before seen price,” says Nate Tschetter, Electronic Keyboard Product Manager, Yamaha Keyboard Division. “With the built-in FlashROM for loading-in new Voice and Style Expansions, it truly is a world-class keyboard that grows with you.” Originally introduced on the Tyros arranger keyboard, Super Articulation Voices enhance the sound of performances by adding instrument-specific nuances as you play the keyboard. Convenient connectivity options like USB TO HOST, USB TO DEVICE and audio line inputs and outputs allow players to use the PSR-S750 in a variety of exciting ways. The PSR-S950 features 1281 Voices, while the PSR-S750 has 1186 Voices. The PSR-S750 (MSRP: $1,499) and the PSR-S950 (MSRP: $2,499) are now shipping. For more information on the PSR-S750 and PSR-S950, write Yamaha Corporation of America, Keyboard Division, P.O. Box 6600, Buena Park, CA 90622; telephone (714) 522-9011; e-mail infostation@yamaha.com; visit www.4wrd.it/keyboards
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#351778 - 09/27/12 10:51 AM
Re: Yamaha PSRS-950 now at Kaye's Music Scene!
[Re: George Kaye]
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#351865 - 09/29/12 02:20 PM
Re: Yamaha PSRS-950 now at Kaye's Music Scene!
[Re: George Kaye]
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#351880 - 09/30/12 06:25 AM
Re: Yamaha PSRS-950 now at Kaye's Music Scene!
[Re: George Kaye]
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Registered: 08/24/04
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George, thanks for the video, really appreciated! There was a comment posted on youtube that the vol was at max. Is that right? I was thinking of using this in smaller NH gigs rather than taking speakers (quicker setup and takedown), but not if that was the max vol.
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#351889 - 09/30/12 12:03 PM
Re: Yamaha PSRS-950 now at Kaye's Music Scene!
[Re: rolandfan]
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Thanks, George
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#351929 - 10/01/12 07:47 AM
Re: Yamaha PSRS-950 now at Kaye's Music Scene!
[Re: George Kaye]
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Registered: 04/25/05
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Actually Don, most of the audio drum patterns are all audio drums. Only on a few of them Yamaha has maybe just a bass drum and a closed hi-hat added to the audio track. However, this use of an additional sound or two is not common on most of the 25 audio styles. Yes there are more are the Ketron keyboards but Yamaha promises more to come. More to come, if they take a reboot of the PSR to load, doesn't seem like that good a deal. We have maybe one or two more generations of this feature before it becomes useful, at least on the MOTL. Hopefully, when the T5 comes out with it, fast and easy loading will have been solved. The really disappointing part is, no ability at all to make these yourself. There are some truly fabulous real drum loops in song format (various different grooves and fills, with intro and ending pickups too) available, and not being able to make your OWN real audio drumset styles (or add hip grooves to existing styles other than the 25 it comes with) is a distinct drawback. Let's face it, how many styles do most of us use? Hundreds, probably. But an S950 will only ever have 25 at a time available (give or take). However, it is genius marketing on Yamaha's part. Rather than bring the feature out on the Tyros, and us KNOW it will trickle down to the PSR in one or two year's time, bring the feature out, albeit crippled, on the MOTL... THEN bring it out, fixed and perfected finally, on the TOTL, and watch all those that love the idea but HATE how impractical it is on the PSR trade UP, for once! Brilliant!
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#351934 - 10/01/12 08:02 AM
Re: Yamaha PSRS-950 now at Kaye's Music Scene!
[Re: George Kaye]
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Registered: 04/25/05
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Loc: NW Florida
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One of the issues with audio drums is... it's a stereo track... you can't add reverb to it without the kick and lo toms getting muddy.
Most studios will track drums in a drum room, some nice ambiance around the drums to give them a bit of space, but then, at the board, a plate or bigger reverb will probably get added to the snare, and maybe the toms a bit to bed it in with a bigger soundfield.
But the audio drums will be fixed... can't add or subtract reverb. So, they either work with the track or they don't. In all likelihood, what is going to have to be done is dial BACK the reverb a bit on the arranger tracks so it sits a bit better with the smaller space. Whether you like that or not.
Simply one more reason why I think audio tracks are a dead end. Why can't they spend the energy and time sampling a REALLY good MIDI drumkit, with lots of velocity levels, in a nice drum room, and do away with all these problems? You still get a great drummer to PLAY the parts... but he uses a MIDI drumkit instead of the real one. Listen to any BFD or EZDrummer demos if you don't think these can sound JUST as good as a real drummer on a real drumkit!
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#351936 - 10/01/12 08:12 AM
Re: Yamaha PSRS-950 now at Kaye's Music Scene!
[Re: Diki]
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One of the issues with audio drums is... it's a stereo track... you can't add reverb to it without the kick and lo toms getting muddy.
Most studios will track drums in a drum room, some nice ambiance around the drums to give them a bit of space, but then, at the board, a plate or bigger reverb will probably get added to the snare, and maybe the toms a bit to bed it in with a bigger soundfield.
But the audio drums will be fixed... can't add or subtract reverb. So, they either work with the track or they don't. In all likelihood, what is going to have to be done is dial BACK the reverb a bit on the arranger tracks so it sits a bit better with the smaller space. Whether you like that or not.
Simply one more reason why I think audio tracks are a dead end. Why can't they spend the energy and time sampling a REALLY good MIDI drumkit, with lots of velocity levels, in a nice drum room, and do away with all these problems? You still get a great drummer to PLAY the parts... but he uses a MIDI drumkit instead of the real one. Listen to any BFD or EZDrummer demos if you don't think these can sound JUST as good as a real drummer on a real drumkit! I can't believe I'm agreeing with Diki on something..
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#351941 - 10/01/12 08:50 AM
Re: Yamaha PSRS-950 now at Kaye's Music Scene!
[Re: George Kaye]
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I'm not totally convinced Yamaha implemented audio styles in a MOTL arranger in order to perfect them in a future TOTL arranger. Everything evolves one way or another. But as Diki explained, it sure seems like that COULD be the case. However you need to start somewhere, and why not in a MOTL arranger that was due for a new model anyway. When, and if the new T5 arrives, it will be interesting to see if Yamaha audio styles will be interchangeable between a T5 and a S950.
In any case I give Yamaha credit for venturing into audio styles, and while it's true, they could have put more effort in improving the current midi drum tracks, they have included many more midi drum kits in the 950...kits we have not heard yet, so hard to judge. So it sure seems like Audio styles are here to stay, and I would guess it won't take long for someone to develop software that will allow editing of the audio drums. Cakewalk?
PS...Just wondering...Would it really take a reboot to load any new future audio styles? I would think they could be stored on a USB stick or in User Styles for almost instant call up. I also heard audio styles take only slightly longer to load than midi files. True?
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#352101 - 10/03/12 06:58 AM
Re: Yamaha PSRS-950 now at Kaye's Music Scene!
[Re: George Kaye]
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