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Cherry Pink and Apple Blossom White Cereza rosa Gummy Mambo On Yamaha Tyros 4 & Roland G70 By Rico
"Cereza rosa", or "Cherry Pink and Apple Blossom White" or "Gummy Mambo" is the English version of "Cerisier rose et pommier blanc", a popular song with music by Louiguy written in 1950. French lyrics to the song by Jacques Larue and English lyrics by Mack David both exist and recordings of both have been quite popular. However, Perez Prado's recording of the song as an instrumental with his orchestra featuring trumpeter Billy Regis, whose trumpet sound would slide down and up before the melody would resume, was the most popular version in 1955, reaching number one on the Billboard charts. The most popular vocal version in the U.S. was by Alan Dale, reaching #14 on the charts in 1955.
In the United Kingdom, two versions of the song went to number one in 1955. The first was the version by Perez Prado, which reached number one for two weeks. Less than a month later, a version by the British trumpeter Eddie Calvert reached number one for four weeks.
In 1982, the British pop group Modern Romance (featuring John Du Prez) had a UK Top 20 hit with the vocal version of the song.
In 1961, Jerry Murad's Harmonicats released an album featuring the song, also entitled Cherry Pink and Apple Blossom White.
I Hope YOu Guys Like It Speak To You Soon................
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Hey Larry my friend, Thank you so much for your kind comment it was a request from someone on YT i never played it before and i thought i should give it a try because i like that kind of music BIGBAND heheh... and i ended up with this Greetings My friend Have a nice weekend
Rico
Ps m8 I realy like your sincere comment makes me real happy
Rico well played...but I didn't care for the sound of the trumpet. To my ear the tone and vibrato did not assimilate a Real sounding Trumpet.....otherwise nice arrangement.....thanx for sharing.
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Rico,
Overall, good to excellent. I'm with DNJ on the trumpet, though. Too much modulation on the trumpet sound, which detracts from the other voices, which sound great.
Thanks again for submitting another great song,
Gary
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Excellent, your are truly the number one entertainer on SZ, I have got to agree with Donny and Gary, that trumpet is a mess, no one could ever play a trumpet like that Rico, but what else would you expect from a Roland G70, you should have played the trumpet on the T4., but you don't need me to tell you that, Suuuuuuper Articulation, alas not available on the G70...BOOOOOOM BOOOOOOM World War 3 here I come... Nice to see Larry is still alive and well
There's a trick you can do on the G70 to allow you to choose when and where the heavily vibrato'd notes play and don't...
If you use an expression pedal, set up the vibrato on UPR1, and a non (or much lesser) vibrato'd patch on UPR2. Then reverse the direction of the expression pedal on the UPR2 trumpet. Now you can, with a quick change from full on to full off of the pedal, choose whether the note is vibrato'd or not. You could also use aftertouch on the non-vibrato'd patch, so you can fade it in after a while (which you have no control of with the vibrato trumpet sample) to make the transition to the vibrato sample smoother.
In all fairness, Cherry Pink is one of the hardest trumpet tunes to emulate, because the half-valved lip gliss of half an octave or so down and back up is pretty much impossible to emulate with ANY keyboard. Because it is half-valved and lipped, it is utterly different to a simple pitch bend...
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In all fairness, Cherry Pink is one of the hardest trumpet tunes to emulate, because the half-valved lip gliss of half an octave or so down and back up is pretty much impossible to emulate with ANY keyboard. Because it is half-valved and lipped, it is utterly different to a simple pitch bend...
There you go Rico, just don't try to emulate something that cannot be emulated, the fountain of knowledge has spoken, unless you can half-valved lip, need a few bottles of the hard stuff, you must hand it to SZ you learn something new every day, not that it would be of any use to you as my old mum would say god bless her soul " just another useless piece of information, I don't need" still Rico see if it sounds better on the Tyros4, Diki might be blagging it with all this half-valved and lipped stuff???
I think it is now beyond all form of doubt that Rico's version of this piece is excellent as all is work is, however on this occasion he has not perfected the duplication of the trumpet part, we can't always be right all the time, well at least some of us, so let's give Rico time to lick his wounds and perhaps if we ask him nicely he will try it on the Tyros 4., in the hope that Super Articulation will rule the day. Never shoot the pianist when he is trying his best.
Tony
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I thought the trumpet was fine...maybe reduce the vibrato just a tad. But it was OK, to me. I also would like to hear it with the T4 SA Trumpet for curiosity sake
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Hi Guys, Sorry i could not reply but i was away for the weekend
So thank you @ll for your nice comments
And to come back on the trumpet i totaly agree but what i did is i listen to those old recordings i wanted to let it sound not to crisp or to new also the reason why i did it because i wanted to use the pitchbend thingie from the roland because i hate those wheels from the yamaha that slider from the roland is way better to handle its nicer but if anny of you guys can help me out maby because what i realy would like is my tyros 4 sound to play on my roland that would be awsome but i have no clue how to set that up trough midi so if anny 1 knows how to do that that would make my day i also made maby a mistake to upload to fast but i needed to go away so i wanted to satisfy the person who made the request so i played that song in about 1 hour but i was also not to happy with that trumpet sound
A trumpet, not being a trombone (duh!) isn't capable of doing a natural gliss down a half an octave or so, so trumpet players 'half-valve', which means putting the valve halfway down so the airflow is very disturbed, and both the valve and the non-valve lengths vibrate (sort of!). This gives a very strangled sound which doesn't resonate at any particular note, making it easy to lip down and up quite a long way.
You MIGHT be able to get a bit closer by putting portamento on/off to a footswitch, sound to mono, hit the note and then hit portamento on, then play an octave (or fourth down, whatever) below, and let the portamento do the long bend down for you.
But, given that the tone as well changes radically, it's only a half solution. I don't think I have EVER heard this emulated well, unless you actually have a sample of the gliss. Kind of like those clarinet glisses that they have for the SA2 Clarinet.
I am right in thinking the SA trumpet doesn't have a lip gliss, aren't I?
Edited by Diki (10/01/1207:32 AM)
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Well, the gliss IS kind of signature to the song...
But whatever you can get away with is fine!
This classic has been done in so many ways... ..... as in My Korg Micro Arranger Demo or in this Big Band Arrangement...sometimes strict tempo does the trick...enjoy
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WAY BACK when I was a good trumpet player, I remember practicing for hours learning that technique. Now I probably couldn't get a middle C (or Bb as the case may be) from a trumpet. I'm looking for a Yamaha EZ Digital Trumpet, but they were only sold in Japan. I have found a couple used on Ebay, but price is really high. DonM
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Let's face it .... there are certain sounds/nuances/capabilities/whatever of some instruments that will not be identically duplicated on a kb ... we do the best we can we what we've got and hopefully the audience is pleased ... I think another dynamic at work here is that Rico has set his bar so high with his performances, that anything even slightly less than perfect is comment worthy ...
Why go nuts?.. just play it your "own way" after all it's an arranger KB NOT a Real Trumpet... make it your own.
Hell Donny,
Why didn't I think of that, you are spot on, just play the dam thing like you want to play it, bend it like Beckham if you want and to hell with what anyone else thinks, got that Rico, leave it as it was.
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Rico, you did a fine job on this song...Most of the folks expressing their displeasure in your Roland trumpet selection..are unaware...you were trying to simulate Eddie Calvert's trumpet...and guess what?..the Roland trumpet was pretty close...drown it a bit more in reverb, and it would be comparable...
As for using the Tyros trumpet as suggested...I say no...the Tyros is too thin and would not cut through the mix...and there is not a sound on the Tyros to minick the Calvert sound...
Your recording ..unlike many I have heard...at least the trumpet sound has movement and does not sound as mechanical as other recordings I have heard..
Maybe if other folks knew what you were trying to duplicate..there would have been more favorable comments...
BTW: Tony, Rico did use Tyros trumpet sections...you were just not paying attention...again...
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Actually Fran, the rendition I remember best was done by Perez Prado and that trumpet sounds exactly like the Yamaha Sweet Trumpet, which is not at all mechanical. You must be thinking of some other keyboard.
Cheers,
Gary
Edited by travlin'easy (10/01/1202:39 PM)
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Peter Baartmans demo of Yamaha's incredible SA2 Jazz Trumpet on the Tyros4...definitely one of my favorite SA voices, and very capably shown here. Certainly one of the best trumpet sounds on an arranger...natural and expressive and very responsive to the player's technique.
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Gary, Rico intended to duplicate the Calvert version...his choice...The version you mentioned is a bit different trumpet sound...common is the drenched reverb.. As for my mechanical comment..I am referring to a very fake sound that is evident...not just Yamaha..even Donny's Korg version...I should also include most of Roland trumpets too...It doesn't make them bad performances...I thought Rico had more movement in the trumpet sound..
Ian, that is a superb trumpet patch, but much different than a Calvert trumpet sound...I think I still question it's cutting ability..that was one of the things I disliked about the early Yamaha boards..
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I see your point Fran, although I am enamored by the SA2 Jazz Trumpet, not for it's "cutting" ability, but for it's silkiness and response to player technique. It still sits very well in the mix, at least for my taste...we all have different ideas of what sounds best.
There are several SA Trumpets in the Tyros4 that cut more, but I prefer the warmth, smoothness, and expressiveness of the one Peter demoed above.
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The simple solution if it appeals to whoever plays it would be to use the T4 Cha Cha style. OTS 1 is the trumpet with the fall and just keep the style playing in tempo. I use this and it works good especially for dancing.
The other thing to consider is trumpet sound, especially vibrato has changed through the years. A very wide vibrato used to be used by some players years ago, (being a trumpet player myself, I always thought it sounded corny and unnatural) but this is old hat now. That's pretty much not done anymore today.
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HI @ll, Thank you guys for @ll your reply's
i like discusions like this because they give a better view of everything likes and dislikes And i wil sure make another recording in the future when i have sorted out my midi problem because i wanna have my T4 on my roland G70 76 keys