Most of the sounds are better on the PA , except the trumpet and Sax and the Brass on the styles, I like the jazz and Funk styles better on the Yamaha, great video.
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Thanks JP,
I also saw that video on You Tube, (and have included it directly below in this thread)
Does not sound like he used any of the SA sounds or Audio styles on the Yamaha.
That being said, as for the demos that are provided in the video, the Korg has more punchier styles, especially the drums, while the Yamaha, over all, has better right hand sounds, although the Korg strings were impressive with more warmth and reverb
It would help to know if any editing was performed before recording and were the keyboards EQ'd at all, or were they both played out of the box?
That being said, it was a nice demo, but IMO, not that much of a dramatic difference going on here.
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Larry, After listening I can tell he used the Yamaha SA Tenor Sax and there are no audio styles in the PSRS750. I think he chose these two because they are very close in price. The PA600 is $1099 and the PSRS750 is $1199 MAP pricing here in the USA.
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Also important to mention is that the big touch color screen on the Korg is much better then the Yamaha screen. The Yamaha sound good but still very weak drums.
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I have listened a couple of times, especially because I have an interest in the PA600 - IF it ever shows up - ... I think it's obvious that the KORG drums are more 'live' ... I thought the KORG strings had a more lush sound to them and in general thought the KORG right hand sounds were 'fuller' although I liked the Yamaha Jazz Organ better ... and I REALLY liked the Jazz Style on the Yamaha ... nice intro/outro ... But what do I know ...
This just goes to show... if you don't play ANY sound idiomatically, the sample quality becomes moot. Playing piano or organ licks on a sax or harmonica sound is going to make it sound naff.
And I rather wish he'd played through the variations... The smoothness of transitions from one sector to another is often the telling point in a style. Do they progress naturally? Do the fills join them smoothly? Is there any weirdness in style voices as it jumps to the new section (or fill)?
All in all, as presented, seems a push to me...
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I agree that Korg drums are punchier but right hand sounds Yamaha has the edge.
Could anybody here download only the video´s audio in mp3 or wav? I would like to analize the sound of both keyboards in mono. I think this is the ultimate test for real life playing (live). Yamaha arrangers doesn´t sound good in mono...
Both these are approximately in the same price range. However, soundwise, I think the Pa600 is essentially having (a past TOTL)Pa2x sound engine and its the S950(and not the S750)which is sonically closer(perhaps even better than) to Yamaha TOTL Tyros3. Like most have stated earlier, I too feel , 750(or used 910) plus Pa600 would be a great combo.
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Originally Posted By: Jose Pereira
Could anybody here download only the video´s audio in mp3 or wav?I would like to analize the sound of both keyboards in mono. I think this is the ultimate test for real life playing (live). Yamaha arrangers doesn´t sound good in mono...
Like most have stated earlier, I too feel , 750(or used 910) plus Pa600 would be a great combo.
What I have been saying all along. Having had the PA800 for more than a year now and only using them within the confines of my living room I have opted for the ( budget) purchase of the PSR-750, as I did not see much point of swapping my PA800 for the PA600. Again I would like to say that in my opinion a combination of the PA600 with the PSR750 ( or possibly the PSR 910 used or new) is a killer combination and without a doubt the best bang for the buck. It goes without saying that PA3X and Tyros 4 have more to offer but at what price..............
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Well, first of all, this is only MY opinion, I don´t work for any of these companies.
I listened in mono and used some spectra analizing and found that both keyboards use some sort of "fake" stereo. The sound (samples) could be recorded in stereo but use some extra processing for made it wider. The Yamaha effects are worse in mono, means also fake stereo processing. The korg isn´t so pronounced, just a bit less. One thing that capture my eye and ear was the overall EQ: Assuming that both keyboards where recorded EQ flat, the yamaha has less power in the mid-highs translating in a sound similar to the "happy face" EQ. As the people increase bass and treble in their consoles the effect increases and that´s probably contributing the weak yamaha sound in PAs (but also fake stereo and weak processors) I think this explain why Yamaha keyboards sound so great at home: They´re mostly "tuned" for that. Korg synths sound appeal more to pro´s Conclusion: No keyboard is perfect. Choose what sounds best to you! Best Regards Jo Martins
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Jo, you're welcome and thanks for your informative evaluation report
This is assuming both boards were recorded 'equally' with flat EQ, but that parameter always needs adjustment.
I have a PSR-3000 that sounds bland with factory EQ settings(flat), but much more alive after tweaking both the EQ and the drums mixing console/filter/harmonic content...along with adjusting other sounds and styles to taste.
Again, IMO, not much difference in sound with these boards (or price) out of the box. To me it's a matter of the OS and Company support. I never owned a Korg, so I can't comment on the OS or support, but I know Yamaha, and to me, they are #1 in these categories, along with third party support, tools, styles, sounds, etc. That said, the PA600 looks and sounds interesting, I especially like the touch screen, and drums.
I'm in the market for a new MOTL arranger, and it's nice to have choices at competitive and comparable prices (collusion maybe?)
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Hi Larry!! Yes, assuming equal flat EQ recording for both keyboards I had a PSR3000 too. This one was the worst if you play with other musicians.
My last Korg keyboard was a Trinity. It sounded amazing live and in recordings but the touch panel was so temperamental that it couldn´t be used safely live and I´m still reluctant of using touch panels but, the PA600 seems a good compromise... I will purchase one as soon as it is available in southern Europe. Regards Jo
Touch screens have improved enormously since the Trinity, Jose. Other than design issues of where to place buttons and the size of contact areas (and those issues also plague real buttons too!), on my Roland I have never had a single issue of unreliability.
I did have something of an issue with the Kronos touch screen, but primarily because they try to cram too much into the screen, and use fonts too small to touch accurately. But Korg and Roland arranger touch screens nowadays have no issues...
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