to be continued......

What can Brown do for you?

Donny,


Cheeky

Hehe.

You have to keep big deliveries continue in small part if this is the way you get it to your doorstep.
I asume this box contain the powercable, and that the rest of the keyboard parts will be delivered daily during 2013?

Cheers
GJ

What company do you use????
We have Brown but not like that!

She looks like my second wife.

Ian

PS...I've only been married once.

OMG!!!! It just arrived......




I will be taking it out on tonight's gig.....

more to come...

How does it sound? I bet you don't keep it longer than a week!

DonM

Looks somewhat "other-worldly".

The single review I've read was very good.

ok,... preliminary testing the last hour or so with KORG PA3x and Mp3's etc,....all I have to say is WOW!!!!
Great solid sound .....quality built down to the speaker wires also...super lightweight and compact for gigging,....many inputs, outputs, switches & hookup options, case included also...pro ready!
optional stands & poles, carry case, very good quality too....
I just pushed this system a bit and it didn't even approach any distortion at performance level volumes & that includes Vocals & VH also. Solid tight Bass from the Sub also,....
gonna get some good use out of this system for sure,.....I'll talk more later, ...I'm out the door I'm taking it on stage tonight in a few hours that's how confident I am with the HK Audio Nano 300 PA.

Have a great night everyone!.......

Donny, can you test something for me..?

We at SZ talked about the HK's a while ago (I think Frank talked about them) and there was some indication that, when used in mono, with the satellites stacked, the frequency response was somewhat different to when they are separated for stereo (due to the coupling effect of the sats). Some talk of more robust mids in that configuration, I think.

Would you mind running a good CD through the system in both configurations, and let us know if this is particularly noticeable?

Thanks...

When I ran the stack in mono, with the speakers attached to the woofer, I had quite a bit of mechanical rattle from the sattilites. The bass is pretty strong, and they didn't fare well in that test. I recommend the poles.

You can have the speakers, I'll take the delivery girl

What delivery girl? I didn't see anything, I know NOTHING NOTHING.

Sounds great......I'm at a gig now using poles.....definite keeper.I like better then my old Bose compact for sure

Looks like more setup that other rigs Donny.

No prob no more then poles and my power Mackies.....Tom your getting old. Lol

I am Donny!

So Donny, how much you asking for them?
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just kidding .

chas

First gig done....HK Nano passed with flying colors.....can't wait for tomorrow's gig to try it again in a different room and scenario....Bose who?...lol

Bose who? You know, the one everybody is trying to copy and not getting it right yet!!

DonM

After reading through all of the comments Donny, I'm still curious to know what you paid for this little gem.

Don,

If they don't sound like a Hammond C3 or A100 going to have to go back to the store, are they on loan Donny??? can't imagine they will fill the corners of a room like a Leslie would....

No Don it's the MONO Bose personal monitor systems with No Mids I think your talking about?

I'm in no position to quote prices here ...but if your interested call SZ member Frank V at Audioworks CT he will treat you right and give you a great deal on the HK Audio Nano & any other gear you may need.

AUDIOWORKS CT

I have positioned my drum stool in front of the keyboard adjacent to the front door (open) so I can turn and watch for the UPS girl who started this..

... I'm still wondering who tucked those shorts between those cheeks ???

If you can't hear mids with the Bose, it's your ears that are the problem! As I recall, when you first got one you were deliriously happy with the sound!
Anyway, I'm sure glad more people don't use them--less competition! Other than being lighter, easier and quicker to set up and covering large spaces more evenly, plus unequaled customer support, I can't think of too many more advantages to them!

Anyway, I'm glad you are happy with the new system. I'm sure it sounds great, but then you always do!
DonM

Donny ... how about recording something so we can hear it?
thnx,

Talk about a wedgey

I wonder if she would enjoy sailing in the tropics with an old codger on his sailing yacht, and of course, drinking Green Coconut Margarettas at sunset? Hmmmmmmm!


Gary

Second gig today using the KORG PA3x & HK Nano system combo in a bigger room then last nights job around 60+ pp this time a Xmas Luncheon Dance, coverage was no problem using split satellites on poles,....easy setup, highs crystal clear sound with Music & Vocals, VH, Solid Bass. Now that I'm confident using it and know what it can handle I will be using the HK Nano 300 on probably 50% of my small gigs,... my bigger Powered Mackie speakers for the much bigger jobs,... IMHO it does sound much better then my old BOSE Compact, .....
that's my story & I'm sticking to it.

Donnie, my wife told me the hearing was the third thing to go, the mind was second, and for the life of me, I can't remember what the first thing was. What the Hell - Merry Christmas old friend.

Gary

It's Donny (sp).... (ie) FEM,...that out of the way I just finished a nice bowl of delicious Italian wedding Soup,......last time I checked my hearing was perfect, my mind is all there also sharp as a tac,......a little less hair then my younger days but I'm good to go for sure,...23 Xmas gigs under my belt this month so far with 8 to go till NYE....
I'm hanging in there having a good old time my Floridian Christopher Columbus Buddy,.... I haven't touched alcohol in a few years don't want to take a chance getting caught driving....I'm always on the road.
a Big merry Xmas to you also enjoy your stay in paradise!!

Donnie-

No distortion from the satellites? What is their rms power handling rated at?

The only distortion was when I used the bose compact that's why I sold it...the highs stunk.......the HK Nano Satellites are much better quality.

Hi Donny

don't you use the Mackie Thump Powered 12's? How does the new PA sound compared to the Thump's?

Scott....they are two different animals....both used for a different purpose......

Heh, heh ... I love ya, Donny but the day you stick to a story is the day I get married again! (WAIT!! Let me rephrase that!!!!!!) Agggghhhhh

lol....your only love is Music...(and braodway shows) lol.. !! you do that very well,.....
all I know is what I hear when I perform there IS a life after a Bose system, Compact or L1...I don't miss either at all.. hey, btw I have a 30yr Anniversary coming up in March to my beautiful REDHEAD also Wooo Hoooo! Now get that KORG/HK setup toward you and kick ass on stage that's what you were meant to do!!! I really like what I'm hearing with the HK on stage, forgot to tell you that during yesterdays gig the stereo coverage was heard in Every corner of the room & I even saw Squirrels dancing on the branches of the trees outside through the windows...go figure!! I love you man Merry Christmas!!

I'm going to try that setup today - I'm off till Jan 2 from school and only have one more party to play in that time. R&R (and I DON'T mean rock & roll!)come on!

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The Bose system has circuitry to keep it from distorting unless it is VASTLY set up wrong. Input level is critical, that's why the owner's manual is so meticulous in telling you how to set the gain staging. Your wife tells me that you have never opened an owner's manual!
The Bose system needs little to no e.q. People who have their e.q.s set to the traditional V curve, will be disappointed because they are taking out the mids and accenting highs and lows.
I've never heard anybody who has heard my system say anything except they would love to have that sound. (Including DNJ, btw.)
However, if it makes you happy to trash gear that you no longer own, carry on! We will have a Merry Christmas anyway!
DonM

Don.....the Bose systems are a good mono setup that's what they were intended for "PAS" Personal amplification system the fact that we pros can vastly use them in other scenarios is OK also....
I might have told you that in the beginning when I got both the L1 & Compact....but, if you remember it was after intense stage use after a few months of gigging that I came to my conclusion that it wasn't a good fit for my ears and my music hence selling them both,.....Thrashing is one thing, a strong negative honest opinion is another,..it's simple, if I like it it stays,...
if I don't like it it goes bye bye, simple as that.
You have a Merry Christmas buddy.....enjoy what works for you.

Don, you turn something up beyond what it is capable of doing, you get distortion every time. No exceptions. Even a limiter won't stop this, as it hammers flat all your lovely peaks and valleys...

Honestly, have you EVER played a gig that you turned the Compact's volume to 100%?

No I haven't. If the input signal is optimized the knob is usually no higher than 3 o'clock. The Compact is not meant for extreme sound levels.
If the signal gets into the red that's as loud as it will go. It's not.for.everybody or every situation.
DonM

I was just thinking how easy it is now. My Father would have loved to have access to the equipment available now. Hi gigged with all sorts of stuff, I doubt anything weighed under 30 kilos, including his bench full of music!

The last professional series of Gigs he did, consisted of a Hammond Super B with various keyboards for the drums, Revo Rotary emulation speaker cabinet, a digital Echo unit through H&H head and a 4x12" Ampeg cab for vocals. He had to pull a trailer around.

And that, Don, is where the rubber meets the road. There's nothing worse than turning up to a gig and finding your baby rig won't cut it. Many gigs round here, there's a DJ covering breaks with usually a BIG rig! I've NEVER seen a DJ play into a Bose system yet..!

So, you need a rig that will keep up with him. Not to mention, use something like that for a live band, you are going to be hard pressed to get even just VOCALS up to the acoustic level of the band instruments, let alone DI the keys and horn players!

Those little Compacts have a VERY narrow range of uses. If ALL you do fits its strengths, you are good to go. And, admittedly, in our community of mostly NH and background dining music, it can be a good fit. But you can get in a bind if you turn up with one, then find out your 'dining' gig wants some serious party music afterwards (young people eat, too, apparently!).

I'm going to give the HK's a long hard look.

Diki ... on two occasions I have seen a DJ using 2 Bose systems and absolutely rocking a large crowded room ...
just sayin...

Also check the LD Maui 28's Diki I think they are flying under the radar at the moment. But a stereo pair will only set you back about 2+k!!

http://voicecouncil.com/review-the-maui-28-pa-system/

http://www.soundonsound.com/sos/feb12/articles/maui.htm

Tony I have seen Dj's use them also but not Compacts...
usually Two L1's and 4 or 6 subs....

... definitely NOT compacts ... these were L1's with 1 sub each ...

The big Bose's, tho... and a double system? Big bucks!

Wow! None round here.

I actually had two L1s and two subs. They sounded fantastic, but it was way overkill for what I need.
After I got two Bose Compacts they sat in the garage for about a year, then I sold them. I just don't play real big jobs anymore.
Use whatever you think is necessary. Everything made these days is probably way better than what we used for years.
I'm happy with my system, until something I like better comes along.
DonM

Just making an observation here....Everyone is saying the same thing..There are limitations to every sound system...When you never exceed the max level for your venues...then you think there is no problem or limit...and this is ideal for you as a performer..

But we have to be careful to choose the system that will maximize the fulless level we are going to maintain..

Just as folks have pointed out correctly that a BA330 will not handle large or high volumes gigs...the same goes for all systems at some point..

Yes the Bose will work fine until you need to cover a "dance" floor...and before you argue otherweise..understand what a "dance" floor is..

We have high end Yorkville system..that without a sub woofer will not cover a "dance " floor..We have Podium 12" system that out performs the yorkvilles..and it will fall short to a high level dance crowd..

I am quite sure the new German system we have been discussing will not handle a real dance floor also..

QSC K series won't max out a dance floor either..without a sub woofer system.....

Reason...you need the bottom...you have to feel the bass, and the same story...you have to move air...

This brings me to the conclusion...I believe 15" will always reign over smaller systems...in fact with all the systems I have available...my first choice would be my Cube 15's...I may have to use 4 units but I know they would do the job ..at Dance floor gigs..

If the younger crowd don't feel the thump in the chest...your sound system isn't working....If you don't know what I am talking about...don't worry...you aren't playing dance music anyway..

This is an Arranger Keyboard forum. The vast majority of us play one-man jobs at smaller venues, if we play out at all.
Those of us that do are mostly grizzled veterans who pretty much know what it takes to do our jobs.
The few people who are knocking our little pas, or either non-arranger players, or players who use arrangers as synths or as midi/mp3 players, in bands. They also know what they need.
Doesn't mean we need to trash each others' choices.
I don't want to hire a roadie, and don't want to lug around hundreds of pounds worth of PA gear, so I don't put myself in situations where that is necessary.
Go in peace and carry what you want to, or need to. Doesn't bother me a little bit!
Merry Christmas!
DonM

Nailed that one, Don.

Don, my very first sentence confirmed what you said...I just went further to illustrate there are venues that will exceed the intended use of our systems of choice..

I hardly think that pointing out the limitations of a system is 'trashing' it. I simply feel that some of the more glowing positive reviews refuse to acknowledge that there ARE limitations, and that blanket recommendations are often given, with no thought as to ultimate use.

You know what, all this is getting me out of the Christmas spirit. I'll see you all next year.
Merry Christmas and Happy New Year.
DonM

... very true, Diki ...

Don ... I do remember when you got the L1 ... if I recall, you posted a photo while playing at an outdoor gig ...

Lets be realistic guys and gals, ALL sound systems have limitations, no question about it. However, Diki is dead wrong about the DJs, at least in the places I've traveled recently. The vast majority of the DJs, and KJs, which seem to be displacing DJs lately, have switched to Bose L1s with a single sub, and I personally know of three DJs that have switched to a pair of compacts and got rid of their monster speakers and poles. These guys play some huge venues, Martins West, Martins East, Overlea Hall, locations that hold several hundred people in a single room. They play more weddings than any group I know of, and they often perform for the younger crowds.

Some of the largest cathedrals in Baltimore's metropolitan area have the new Bose systems installed, systems that consist of 4 towers on the wall, and 2 subs beneath the stage. Several theaters and churches in Washington, DC have the same Bose system and rave about the coverage and sound quality.

When I was in North Carolina, during my voyage to the Florida Keys, I encountered two bands using a single Bose L1 Mod II system and the Bose mixer. They were performing in large yacht clubs and sounded fantastic.

At the Fernandina Beach Yacht Club I saw a pair of compacts sitting on the stage while I enjoyed a fantastic lunch of fresh mahi-mahi. Here in Marathon Key, Florida's Dockside restaurant there was a keyboard player working with a 5-piece band that was using a single compact and a G-70. The following night at the same location there was a KJ using an L1 with a single sub. Dockside isn't a large venue, probably measuring about 2,000 to 3,000 square feet. However, it typifies most of the venues where most of us that play the nite-club circuit usually perform. None of us are playing Carnagie Hall, Ravens Stadium, Grand Ol Opre, etc..., and bringing our own sound systems.

Nationally, there are a huge number of veteran performers that have switched to Bose L1, L1 Mod II and L1 Compacts. I personally know performers in a dozen states that are full-time entertainers, individuals that have been in the business for decades, who have switched from conventional sound systems to Bose vertical array systems. I made the switch from Barbetta Sona 32-SC 450-watt RMS powered speakers after hearing Uncle Dave's Bose L1 at a Philadelphia restaurant. Both the sound and coverage were incredible. The Barbettas sounded very good, and DNJ was using them at his Thursday Night Dance back then. The Bose L1, however, sounded much, much better.

As noted by myself, DonM and several other entertainers, there are a lot of sound system manufacturers that are trying to copy Bose with vertical array systems. Some have come pretty close, but I think it will be sometime before they produce a system with the Bose sound quality and incredible coverage aspects.

Over the years, there have been members of this and other forums that thought if you had a sound system that produced "ear bleed" volumes, that it was a requirement to pack a dance-floor. I've never agreed with that concept. I always contended that the best way to capture the attention of your audience was to provide them with the highest quality sound of music they wanted to hear, and dance to. Many years ago, DNJ said to me "If they can't dance to it - don't play it." I have adhered to that policy ever since, and I sincerely believe it has made me quite successful.

I sincerely believe that in the ensuing years you will see more and more groups/bands/OMBs/etc... using vertical array systems. Conventional sound systems will likely become a thing of the past within a decade, or less - even at the largest, outdoor concerts. Now, I could be dead wrong - but I don't think so.

Merry Christmas everyone,

Gary

This is why I have TWO PA Systems....simple as that.

Xmas eve gig tomorrow I'm gonna try it in the Mono configuration Satellites on top on the Sub no poles for a VERY small 1hr Holiday gathering 20pp...I'll report back.

I'm still in the business, mostly, of putting a good danceable volume close to the stage, and the owners wanting a quick drop-off further down the room. Other than the general lack of mids (which can be somewhat EQ'd back in if you don't mind losing a bit of headroom), the main thing about Bose's is that even coverage... It's superb if that's what you need, but it can work against you if it ain't.

If you think I said that, you are more senile that I am.

Yes Don, I agree that was just a totally childish posting. No-one disputes that the Bose system have their limitations but they are certainly effective for most OMB situations. The classic rock band I play in even used 2 L1 towers for a few years with great success. Though we didn't use the Bose subs because we had 2 JBL subwoofers. The stage sound provided the mids. The only reason we stopped using them was because the owner of them left the band and we couldn't justify the expense of buying them. But they did provide great coverage in the rooms we played. And we were playng hard rock such as AC/DC and Van Halen.

I went into our local music shop a while back and he had an Audya hooked up to 3 Bose speakers about £40.00 the set, they blow me away, they sounded better than my pair of 350 SR... obviously they wouldn't fill the Albert Hall, not made too, Bose do make some good gear.

You got it Fran. Gotta have some thump. I just got a small system from Carvin. Very small but powerful mixer w/effects and two 10" speakers. Mostly for my studio but also for very small gigs. If I wanted to go bigger I'd add on one of my Crate KX220s for bottom. You can't get "dance" floor bottom from and 8 or 10" speaker.
I notice that BOSE is steppin up the bottom end with two new subs to add on to their systems. I've heard their systems and they do sound great but when you have to start adding some more very expensive pieces to get the needed push your kind of back to square one.


Bill in NJ

Just got back from today's gig....use the HK Nano in Mono...two satellites stacked on one pole, 20 pp .....I was very happy with the sound, covered the room well front to back and had a nice robust all around crystal clear presence,....just make sure you have it in the Mono mode using the Toggle switch.....
the AD also commented on how excellent it sounded!.......

I am going to be trying the Maui LD 28 system mid Jan...so I will let you know how it goes if anyone is interested.

I have used L1 model 1, model II with Tonematch, QSC K series Mackies and most of the others so it will be interesting to see how they go...I passed on the HK Nano as they use Piezo horns...

Happy Christmas to all

Dennis

Dennis look forward to your review of the Maui LD 28 system..
good luck.

Donny,

Just got in from a Christmas party, stripped down a left handed fluffle valve, set up the induction loop in the gas filled aspirator and it still doesn't freaking work and ideas Donny, I haven't got a clue what you are on about old lad. Never mind I am a mere bottom feeder on SZ

It was posted as a joke to another questionably 'senior moment' (your words, Don) post. Post that you are going to take your ball and leave because we fail to agree..? Sorry, Nigel. There's enough 'childishness' here to go around.

You are right Diki, you win. You have managed to bring the forum, again, down to your level. But I still have the Christmas spirit, so maybe I win too.
I decided I will not be run off, but I will not longer respond to you because you do not have the ability, or maybe the desire, to communicate in a sociable manner.
I have a wonderful life, and I'm truly happy in it. I wish you the same, but your attitude tells me that may not be the case.
Hope I'm wrong again! No great loss to you; you'll just have to find someone else to argue with. I'm thinking that won't be a problem.
Anyway, I'll still be here after you finally go far enough to be banned again.
DonM

Even if it's a joke, looks pretty childish and uncalled for IMHO.
Similar to this " you are right diki! G70 is the best keyboard ever made for present ,past and future! It's AWESOME to the power of infinity!!"
I did not see DonM attacking you ? So why start a worthless baby post?

One of the problems is that as soon as there is even a hint of a 'difference of opinion', people start choosing sides, which, of course, does nothing but add fuel to the fire.

Everyone should learn to be as non-provocative as me . Then life here on Synthzone would be AWESOME at last.

chas

Hijack?

Is that a question?

HiDonny...the name is Ian, but "Hi" all the same.
In any case, I hope you have a Happy New Year.
Ian

I make a point of saying that the G70 isn't the ultimate arranger. In fact, it isn't the BEST at anything. But for the way I use it, it is the best currently available keyboard. But I don't use it like most here do! Most of my work is with bands...

If you like, the G70 is the best live gigging keyboard that ALSO has a full arranger capability. And I've never claimed otherwise!

That's how I think of the PA3x - the ultimate live rig ... especially for a singer!

I have to agree Dave.....Korg Pa3x is awesome......

Wait until you are on a bandstand with a full band, and the leader calls a tune you don't have a Performance already set for...!

It's an awesome ARRANGER... but from extensive time on it, I think I can say that it isn't the fastest keyboard to set up on the fly.

Depends how long one has been using the Korg system

Possibly, Dennis...

One of the things that the simpler voice architecture of the Roland's affords you, though, is independence of sounds from effects architecture. When you listen to the Korg's sounds, you are generally listening to the patch AND it's associated insert effects. All well and good, but when selecting sounds in a hurry to create a split and layered combi, setting up the insert effects so there isn't a drastic change in sound is quite the task.

Roland's are much more WYSIWYG. You can select any patch, and be pretty assured that no matter how you use it, as a solo tone, as part of a layer on the LWR section, whatever, you are going to get what you expect. Add to that, if there IS a tone with an insert effect that you want, select it as UPR 1 and the MFX will get loaded and assigned, and you can use it like that. Plus an easy front panel button to turn the MFX on and off as needed.

Pretty much ANY keyboard can be learned intimately with time. I'm pretty fast getting around on my K2500/KDFX. But, after considerable time on both, I'm fairly confident that my G70 is faster to set up combis! And yes, although only having had the PA3X for a few weeks, I'm not entirely a Korg noob, having a Triton for years (and things haven't changed all THAT much from that progenitor!), so I think, at least from my perspective, in saying at this particular task, the G70 is without equal.

Simplicity has its advantages!

My KORG PA3x is AWESOME!!!

Actually it is rather more simple on the Korg than you make out or are aware of maybe??

And the PA series IS different in some important areas to the Triton series...although the Korg Insert efx structure is the same on all the boards, even the Kronos...

I prefer the Yamaha and Roland systems where the effects are loaded with the sound, hopwever you can run into issues, particularly with the Roland system with the limited number of insert efx slots (three from memory). Not so much an issue with Yamaha as they provide 8 on the XS series and above...

But as all keyboards involve a compromise or two, I am willing to live with the Korg system, to get ALL the other advantages for a live player..

By the way setting up a split on the Korgs is about a 1 second job...on the fly, even while playing a style....and setting up a left/hand right hand split performance is about the effort and speed as is required by the G70...and if you need the efx with the sound simply select copy from sound...pretty easy really...

All in all, I would say the PA series and the G70/E80 are about on par in this regard.

No argument that the Roland is a good deal better in the modifying styles and midis section...always has been

Dennis

I disagree - there are 3 right hand sounds and 1 left hand sound always available in each setting. There are EZ on/off buttons right at your fingertips. There are TONS of performance patches, same as on workstations, and the beauty of the 3x enhances the adaptability "on the fly" with all the real time sliders. I could play this (and I DO) in large bands (at school) and never turn on an auto drum or pattern. It can run with all the big dogs side by side in sounds and effects. I've had most major brands, and this is one of the most versatile boards even if it wasn't an arranger/DJ dream. Give it another try.

Dave..less the mp3 feature on the Korg..Diki is right, the G70 is the friendliess board to use..with quick, easy to get to control...What you state about the PA3x is true, but the G70 gives you two additional parts available in all set ups...Access to all edits is much easier to get to on the G70 and touch control is better on the g70...the Korg is to small and crowded on the display...The combination of touch screen and buttons (also sliders) is un surpassed..on the G70.

If you like ..I can bring the G70 over and do a side by side

Also the harmonizer functions are a no brainer on the G70, much more versatile, and less work preparing for different functions...in fact there is no preparation needed..

All it will take is a hands on side by side...that you have avoided for years...

Most of my comments are in comparison to the PA800 I owned...but the PA3x still has most of the items I mentioned..

I haven't mentioned the superior use of effects on the Roland, again comparing to the PA800..Is there any major change on the PA3x?

yawn.....

Fran signature:
"I can't afford to own a Audya , Korg PA3X, or Tyros4...So....I own a Roland G70, BK-5, and a Lionstracs MediaStation X76...."

Nuff said Dave, Frans got the three most unpopular bits of kit on the planet, I think they must be NO more that 3 of each in the UK there on the endangered species list, there are more Pandas in the UK. I am off shooting this morning, I will see if I can shoot you a few...(NOT PANDAS) And no wonder Fran can't afford a Audya , Korg PA3X, or Tyros4... Dom fleeced him when he bought the MS, still not done Italy any good, they are broke too.

That's a big yawn.....

Tony,
Don't be fooled by Fran's signature - I've never seen him deny himself of ANYTHING he wanted ... no matter what the cost! For a guy who works when we WANTS to ... he sure does have some cool toys.