Ooh...here is something you cant do with Midi Drums

A couple of relatives tapping feet at a traditional Quebec wedding and another playing spoons. There is also an audio drum loop featuring an Australian 'wobble board' ...can you tell what it is yet

Maybe this isn't the thread for it, but I'd sure like to read about how easy (or not!) it is to create a user audio style. Anybody here done it?

I know the drums would probably be the easiest, so let's stick to that? There are many many fantastic loop libraries of drummers playing real kits, often played by big star drummers. I'd like to know, if I had a few of these libraries, how easy is it to import these loops and create an audio style with them...

Please, although a link to the manual that tells you about this, I'd REALLY like to hear about it from someone that has really TRIED. You never know about the 'gotchas' until you talk to someone that has done it!

Courtesy of one of our customers (who now owns both a Yamaha Tyros 4 and a Ketron Audya AJAMSONIC keyboard in NY), here are some TYROS 4 Drum and Bass (JAZZ AND SWING) style parts.

More to follow since 2 attachments is max. per post!

... another with just drums ...

... 2 more ...

... due to size, could only attach this one by itself ...

... cool groove ...

Dikki,

In response to your quetion above on how to create a USER AUDIO STYLE (in the KETRON AUDYA keyboard that is):-



CREATING THE STYLE FROM SCRATCH

1. Create a MIDI based style (as you would do now) with a 'template/song structure' in mind ofcourse. Include Midi drums [*]. You can use the keyboard (for simple style creation) or use a Midi based software e.g. CUBASE which most of us use (for professional quality).
It is advisable to leave Chord 5 empty [**]

2. Share the template with a professional drummer who will now record the drum parts to/for your style above (preferrably at a studio if you want great results). Ofcourse he/she can either record the entire song and you later break down the individual wave files for each part (Intro, Arranger A, B ... Ending) OR, you can have him/her play each part and record separately (the former is better so as not to break the 'feeling').
If you already have a loop library, SKIP THIS PART AND TO TO (3) BELOW AS LIFE JUST GOT A WHOLE LOT EASIER!! This is the most expensive part when it comes to creating an AUDIO style from scratch (including drummer time, studio time ... etc)

3. Collect all 18 individual wave files (i.e. Reggae_Intro1@90.wave, Reggae_Intro2@90.wave, Reggae_ArrA@90.wave ... etc where "@90" denotes the BMP it was recorded as - AUDYA needs this to establish a base from which any tempo variation will be measured from) and COPY into the AUDYA's Hard Drive (Folder called USER AUDIO DRUMS) - using a USB pen drive or by connecting the AUDYA to your PC via a USB cable. This is the same folder where all previous, new, purchased ... etc Audio Drums of yours are stored (the Factory AUDIO DRUMS reside in a different folder).

4. Copy your MIDI BASED STYLE you've created (as you would do for any keyboard)[Reggae.pat] into the AUDYA's Hard Drive (USER STYLE - LATIN folder) so whenever you press the USER STYLE and LATIN category, your style will be displayed and can be selected using the corresponding F1-F10 button to the side of the screen) as is the case now for any style.



HOW TO ASSOCIATE THE RELATIVE AUDIO PARTS

1. Test the style AS IS to make sure all chord parts respond as needed to the different chord structures. If not, you may have to go into the PATTERN/STYLE EDITOR and fix any errors (or back into CUBASE if that is the software that was initially used).

2. If the style is performing well (MIDI BASED), you can now move into the more exiting part which we call AUDIO STYLE MODELLING!

3. Press STYLE VIEW which is our way to display all parts of the style (DRUM1, DRUM2/GROOVE, Bass, Chords 1-5, Lower1, Lower2).

4. F1 (DRUM 1) displays the MIDI drums. Press F1 to highlight them. Now you can instantly scroll through (by simply turning the data wheel) all the over 80+ Midi DRUM KITS to hear how your style sounds with different MIDI KITS ... if you want (this mimics having your Midi Drummer playing the same notes, but on different drum kits). If you want to strictly use AUDIO DRUMS, turn down the volume of the MIDI DRUMS to "0" or ... simply MUTE the actual drum parts (Kick, Snare, High Hat ... etc) that are not needed and leave the Percussion parts which you can now fuse with the AUDIO DRUMS you are about to insert (or mute everything MIDI - if you also have the percussion parts with your AUDIO DRUMS!

5. Press F1 once more and now F1 displays AUDIO DRUMS (off). Ofcrouse they are off as these are the FACTORY AUDIO DRUMS ... which again you can simply press ENTER to turn on and use the DATA WHEEL to scroll through the FACTORY AUDIO DRUMS - if you want to use FACTORY AUDIO DRUMS with your style. If you do select FACTORY DRUMS, you need only select for ONE PART (e.g ARRANGER A) and automatically the others get assigned to the relative AUDIO parts of this AUDIO DRUM loop!

6. Press F1 yet again and it now displays DRUM BANK. Here reside all (well, most) of the DRUM TRACKS used in KETRON products - so you can actually use MIDI and GROOVE DRUM tracks that were used in styles from say the SD1, X1 ... etc!

7. (YOUR INTEREST). Press F1 yet again and now it displays USER AUDIO DRUMS Off. Press ENTER to turn on and use the data wheel to scroll through to YOUR Audio drums. So, if you are in ARRANGER A, you should scoll through for Reggae_A@90.wav. Press ARRANGER B and do the same but this time, scroll through for Regge_B@90.wav and repeat for ALL the arranger parts to assign each part it's corresponding AUDIO DRUM Track (so, you can get creative and record effects, voices ... etc - they MUST NOT ONLY BE DRUMS)! TAKE NOTE ... you can mix and match between AUDIO, MIDI and GROOVES and play all at once, vary each one's volume ... etc. Once more, you're the Engineer in control!

8. Test to make sure all is ok. When satisfied, you can now go through the EFFECTS for each part and modify as needed ... etc.

9. When done, simply press SAVE and the bottom of the screen shows you the current style's name (midi that was previously selected above)- Pressing SAVE (USER 5/10) will OVERWRITE the current STYLE using the same name... or the best thing to do is put a "@" before it so it stores it with the distinctive "A" for AUDIO STYLES and since it has a diffent name now, the original MIDI BASED style will be left untouched.

[*] The reason I mentioned including MIDI drums is so that you can use parts of this (e.g percussion) to supliment the drums ... unless you already have percussion in your AUDIO DRUM files.

[**] In STYLE VIEW, pressing F10 repeatedly (CHORD 5) toggles between MIDI (style's chord 5 part) and LIVE AUDIO GUITAR parts. You may choose to add a LIVE GUITAR to your style!

Here are 2 examples of 2 New AJAMSONIC STYLES (Soca Slide, and Ndombolo) - created from scratch using the points above. I gradually inserted the parts so you can hear how they are/were programmed and thus distinguish them ... also intentionally played more chords and less lead!

It took more time to type this explanation than it would have taken to mix both styles in STYLE VIEW once the AUDIO DRUMS and MIDI parts were created!!

This and a lot more is better explained in the 3hrs+ DVD Manual and Tutorial which we have out so you get a better picture as you SEE and HEAR how to do this ...

Enjoy (and I hope we didn't go off course with the topic at hand) as I tried as best as I could to answer to your question (which you have asked for a while now) ... This also explains (to an extent) why the AUDYA would cost a little more ...

... another example of a Style .... with fills and breaks so you notice the transitions ...

And now, back to the topic at hand (sorry if we deviated)....

* Here are Drums and Bass from the Ketron AUDYA AJAMSONIC Style - "Golden Swinger" (SWING)...

* Here are the Drums only from the Ketron AUDYA AJAMSONIC Style - "Afro Jazz" (SWING) ...