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#362449 - 03/02/13 08:20 PM
Re: Is Brand loyalty important..
[Re: Fran Carango]
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#362457 - 03/02/13 11:03 PM
Re: Is Brand loyalty important..
[Re: Fran Carango]
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No. Fanboism was for young stating musicians affected by certain incidents which (or that carries to older age due to some flashbacks) or against their musical enemies' gear at that time.especially if a musician is forced to choose one due to the budget.(
Fender vs Gibson / Model to brand loyalty /competition - DX7 vs M1 vs D50/ TRITON vs MOTIF/ TYROS vs PAxX the list goes on.
In arranger and SMF playeback world ,Roland definitely ruled the early 90's due to GM/GS (all commercially avail SMFs are written thru Sound Canvas (mainly SC55 which had both PCM and some minor LA syn).
If you were an OMB and had play arranger and SMF professionally in the early 90's no one can deny the success of E86 which had a floppy drive (released after complaints about E70 which hasn't ).E86 had direct disk play and direct new style from disk play which the mighty Korg I3 couldn't ( you have to load SMF and new styles and it takes time which was unpractical for OMB player with dancing audience on the floor.
Yes it was way before (G1000- SC88 board).Trust me ,because I lived through all those.
Korg woke up and immediately put SMF direct play to their new I4s (same sound source but ,can't write own styles like i3),they also put in great speakers but was way heavy,wasn't a hit .i5s and the rest up to I30 cam after before the mellinium and Pa80.
G1000 was a hit.Roland did hit and miss with subsequent arrangers Exxx series and low end Gs.
Yamaha 's arranger funtionality wasn't no where near their other rivals .Korg I3 (1993 korg i3 had 4 variations -even late 90's Psr 8000 had only 2).Better sound quality of Euro Keyboards like Solton (ketron) and GEM weren't having mega success.Technics was doing great in pro arranger world yet did not have accessory power of the mighty three.
The game changed again in year 2000. Successful PA 80 and more successful PSR 2000 -priced at $1200 (after dissapointment of 9000 pro),it was an instant hit for western (us/uk) arranger players. Oriental versions of both Roland and korg already made great 3rd party support in the 90's). Wasn't the case with Yamaha. A 1200$ keyboard with VH drew a lot of attention to home players and starting pros alike. The third party support grew from there.
Ketron in other hand has been given limited access to most of the world due to several reasons that you know.
To sum it up, all KBs has their hits and misses.it's all about making profit and occasionally you will have a hit due to good hard ware/sound and relative portability - dx7 in the early to mid 80's, m1 in late 90's,01w and k2000 in early 90's, jv 1080 in mid 90's,Triton in the late to early 2000's and so on.
They are just tools. I would love to have all the great keyboards regardless of their brand. So, no.No royalty because it's not a person.It's a brand run by a corporation managed by good and bad/smart and dumb people.you may be lucky once in awhile but never always.
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#362464 - 03/03/13 02:28 AM
Re: Is Brand loyalty important..
[Re: Fran Carango]
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I love the classic Korg sounds and have used a lot of their gear (M1,Trinity Plus, X5d , N264) and I currently have an X50 at home , but for my gigs I bought a Juno Di and Fantom XA from Roland , and by using korg samples on the XA I have the best of both worlds, including sounds from the DX7, D-50, Technics organ, and SQ80 , you´ve gotta buy what´s best for you.
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#362465 - 03/03/13 03:12 AM
Re: Is Brand loyalty important..
[Re: Fran Carango]
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Registered: 09/21/02
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All of the major brands have features I prefer, but alas, none have them all. Therefore, I choose the one with the most at any given time.
In short- NO
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pa4X 76 ,SX900, Audya 76,Yamaha S970 , vArranger, Hammond SK1, Ketron SD40, Centerpoint Space Station, Bose compact
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#362489 - 03/03/13 08:32 AM
Re: Is Brand loyalty important..
[Re: jamman]
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Registered: 12/08/02
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Loc: Ontario Canada
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No. Fanboism was for young stating musicians affected by certain incidents which (or that carries to older age due to some flashbacks) or against their musical enemies' gear at that time.especially if a musician is forced to choose one due to the budget.(
Fender vs Gibson / Model to brand loyalty /competition - DX7 vs M1 vs D50/ TRITON vs MOTIF/ TYROS vs PAxX the list goes on.
In arranger and SMF playeback world ,Roland definitely ruled the early 90's due to GM/GS (all commercially avail SMFs are written thru Sound Canvas (mainly SC55 which had both PCM and some minor LA syn).
If you were an OMB and had play arranger and SMF professionally in the early 90's no one can deny the success of E86 which had a floppy drive (released after complaints about E70 which hasn't ).E86 had direct disk play and direct new style from disk play which the mighty Korg I3 couldn't ( you have to load SMF and new styles and it takes time which was unpractical for OMB player with dancing audience on the floor.
Yes it was way before (G1000- SC88 board).Trust me ,because I lived through all those.
Korg woke up and immediately put SMF direct play to their new I4s (same sound source but ,can't write own styles like i3),they also put in great speakers but was way heavy,wasn't a hit .i5s and the rest up to I30 cam after before the mellinium and Pa80.
G1000 was a hit.Roland did hit and miss with subsequent arrangers Exxx series and low end Gs.
Yamaha 's arranger funtionality wasn't no where near their other rivals .Korg I3 (1993 korg i3 had 4 variations -even late 90's Psr 8000 had only 2).Better sound quality of Euro Keyboards like Solton (ketron) and GEM weren't having mega success.Technics was doing great in pro arranger world yet did not have accessory power of the mighty three.
The game changed again in year 2000. Successful PA 80 and more successful PSR 2000 -priced at $1200 (after dissapointment of 9000 pro),it was an instant hit for western (us/uk) arranger players. Oriental versions of both Roland and korg already made great 3rd party support in the 90's). Wasn't the case with Yamaha. A 1200$ keyboard with VH drew a lot of attention to home players and starting pros alike. The third party support grew from there.
Ketron in other hand has been given limited access to most of the world due to several reasons that you know.
To sum it up, all KBs has their hits and misses.it's all about making profit and occasionally you will have a hit due to good hard ware/sound and relative portability - dx7 in the early to mid 80's, m1 in late 90's,01w and k2000 in early 90's, jv 1080 in mid 90's,Triton in the late to early 2000's and so on.
They are just tools. I would love to have all the great keyboards regardless of their brand. So, no.No royalty because it's not a person.It's a brand run by a corporation managed by good and bad/smart and dumb people.you may be lucky once in awhile but never always.
That was a nice read !!!
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#362513 - 03/03/13 01:49 PM
Re: Is Brand loyalty important..
[Re: Fran Carango]
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Registered: 04/25/05
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Loc: NW Florida
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Maybe the OP is confusing 'brand loyalty' with 'brand preference'?
I must confess, since the RA90, Roland's have been the only arrangers I have used. I've used lots of other stuff but none as an arranger.
Most of it boiled down to Roland's dominance during the early 90's with the products based around the Sound Canvas series. If you used SMF's, you used a Roland. And, wanting to multi-task, I figured out an arranger product that was based around the Sound Canvas could do both... This went on all the way to the G1000, arguably Roland's best arranger ever. After that, things changed, with often more being dropped (like the Chord Sequencer) than added (and some of the additions, like Vari-Phrase technology were of little practical use).
So I stuck to my G1000 for about ten years until the G70 came out. V-Drum kits, the amazing GrandX from the FantomX, the VK organ sim, touch screen, sliders, and the brilliant Makeup Tools editing system... it was time to move on. The only serious competition to it at the time was the PA2X, and it still hadn't drawn equal to Roland in SMF playback, had some weird fill issues, and wasn't equipped with as good a selection of styles (though those it had were great). Yamaha refused to bring out a professional 76 (9000pro had issues and I didn't like the sound) so removed themselves from the field of battle, never to return. SD-1 had the same lack of styles issue that Korg had.
So... my choices were limited. I stuck with Roland not out of fanboism, but simply because it was the only choice that did all I wanted at the time.
Fast forward to last year, and I wanted an arranger/SMF/MP3 player in a module form to go with my remote keyboard, and my choices were the hugely expensive Ketron (with all it's style shortage and lack of editing capabilities) or the affordable BK-7m, which was most of my G70's soundset, plus a whole bunch more. No-brainer!
So I've been a Roland 'preference' guy for 20 years or so. But not for lack of looking!
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#362523 - 03/03/13 02:52 PM
Re: Is Brand loyalty important..
[Re: Fran Carango]
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Registered: 04/25/05
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Loc: NW Florida
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That's the price you pay for all that Korg flexibility... A pretty arcane OS to anyone coming from anywhere else.
You can save globals, styles, Performances, multi-pads, samples, voice edits, you name it. But all separately other than the Global.
One area I always thought Korg could improve is all that saving. Kurzweil's have a great system where you can save simply a Global. But... if you just want to load a voice, or a sample, or a multi-sample, or everything you need for just ONE performance, you can look INSIDE the Global file, and all the constituent parts are there. It's a great system to make backup easy, but detailed retrieval simple.
Korg would do well to look at this.
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An arranger is just a tool. What matters is what you build with it..!
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#362566 - 03/04/13 12:15 PM
Re: Is Brand loyalty important..
[Re: Fran Carango]
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