I know, I'm one of the last guys to convert to anything. I've been using a convertible hand truck for years. When I bought my S 950, I got a gator case with it. For years I've been laying my hand truck on top of the keyboard case. Now, this is not such a great idea. When Gary Diamond came out earlier this week to try out my 950, I got him to set up his r & r cart for me. I was amazed with the simplicity of it. I ordered one immediatly. I also ordered the top deck as well. They both came today and I put them together and I like what I see. Plus, I can store the r & r off to the side and not on top of my board. Now I'm getting ready for a big thunderstorm system that is about to move into the area.

Later guys,

Joe

Rock.n roller is the best........ I don't see how any musician working today isn't using a rock n roll cart...

Got and love mine! Only problem I have is keeping the rear wheels inflated. They go flat all the time; luckily, they roll almost as well with little air...

Mine has the New airless tires

Mine has too, and with the deck. The new R20 rolls easier than my old one, also.

R20?! I have an R12 I've used for years, great back-saver. I have not been able to find info on the new R20. Can anyone post a link?

Jim

R20 could be a typo ?!?

http://rocknroller-multicart.myshopify.com/pages/multi-cart-models

Never heard of an R20 ....

I have a R10 & a R8 don't leave home without one !!

I love my rocknroller, and appreciate the shelf to keep my keyboard steady and safe. However, I am finding it cumbersome to install the shelf each time. Any tips or tricks?

I bring my wife as a roadie to hold one end.

I don't use shelf......no need.

My top shelf is constructed from two pieces of 1-inch box aluminum, slots cut on each end, and held in place with detent pins. Takes less than 10 seconds to put in place and works like a charm. I talked with their designers about the top shelf, they didn't like what I had to say. It was poorly designed, takes at least 10 minutes to put in place, and it takes up too much space in the van. I even sent Rock & Roller photos and drawings of my setup, but they ignored it and continued to produce their version.



Mine is better, at least that's the general consensus of those that have adopted my design.

Almost forgot: Mine only cost me $20 and weighs next to nothing.

Gary

Minus the shelf

Looks intriguing Gary, do you have any more photos that will help me understand the design?

I have them somewhere, Graham. I'll try to dig them up tomorrow afternoon when I get home and post them here.

Gary

- I would be interested in and appreciate seeing your plan as well Gary. I’m still using the original (red) cart that does not accommodate the shelf/shelves currently available.
- Has anyone used the top shelf as a keyboard stand?
Ciao,
Jerry

I got the top shelf and I don't like it at all. I watched Gary install his version and it's much more to our time line and needs. I'm going to try and send my top deck back. The cart works fine without it. It takes all of my gear perfectly.

Joe

I got to say my Rock n roller is the best thing I have ever purchased in a cart one trip in and one trip out the best.

Here's an old photo of the cart when I first constructed the top rack. The rack is made of 1-inch box aluminum and will support up to 250 pounds. I was able to sit upon the rack with no problems.



Using a hacksaw, I cut an opening in each end of each section of box aluminum. I then drilled a 1/4-inch hole in each end of the rack and matched it up with a hole I drilled in each handle. A 1/4-inch detent pin is inserted into the holes to hold the rack in place. The detent pins are attached to short lengths of braided stainless steel wire and attached to each end of the rack, just so I don't loose them.



Hope this helps. I'll try to post a video tomorrow if that will provide additional help.

Gary

Thanks Gary.
Ciao

Thanks Gary, that looks awesome. I'll be off to Home Depot at the weekend looking for the parts. How did you make the cross cuts so precise?

I anchored the box aluminum in a vise, then used a fine-tooth hacksaw.

Gary

Great simple solution. Rock and roller really should consider your design. Do any of the home improvement stores carry the 1" square aluminum stock you used ?
I'm definately going to give this project a shot.

Thanks for sharing

I purchased the box aluminum from a local welding shop, mainly because they were less expensive, closer to home and they carried a heavy-duty grade of aluminum. The stuff that Home Depot carries is a bit lighter, but it's still more than sufficient to hold a couple hundred pounds of gear. Just be sure that Home Depot, or Lowes, has the correct length. They used to have 6-foot lengths, but the last time I was there I seem to remember the pre-cut length was 5-feet. The most expensive part of the project will probably be the detent pins, which are also available at Home Depot and Lowes. I had a bunch of them here, most of which were used for holding the Bimini-top in place on the boat. If I recall, they measure about 1-1/2 inches long and they're 1/4-inch diameter. You may find them cheaper at an online marine store.

Gary

Looks like Home Depot have 48 inch lengths of 1/16 inch thickness, and 96 inch lengths of 1/20 inch.

Well, I loved Gary's solution, but I had already invested in the RnR shelf. It looked like the aluminum, even the less heavy duty type, would cost me $35, plus $20 or so for detent pins, so I decided to rethink.

The time consuming and clumsy part of putting the shelf on is installing the bolts and butterfly nuts, so what if I just switched to detent pins?

I tried various different size pins, but eventually concluded 5/16 x 1.3 inch was the ideal size. I had to drill out the pre-drilled holes in the handles just a little (#8 metric drill) and the holes in the cable tabs (#6 metric drill). I then fastened the cable tabs using the existing bolts under the shelf.

This is a major improvement, with no fumbling and no risk of losing the bolt or nut! Here is a scan of the parts I ordered from Reid Supply, delivered quickly and efficiently by USPS for $25. And photos of the finished project.

Looks good, Graham.

Gary