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#365656 - 04/26/13 08:49 AM Re: Roland BK 9 Demo [Re: FransN]
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Thanks for sharing. Here is another demonstration.
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#365660 - 04/26/13 09:55 AM Re: Roland BK 9 Demo [Re: FransN]
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Nice demo...Around 1:46 as he slides down the keys playing organ there is a "plastiky sound" I wonder if that's an indicator of the type of KEYFEEL? I heard that on my BK-5 also.. confused1


Edited by Dnj (04/26/13 09:56 AM)

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#365665 - 04/26/13 10:55 AM Re: Roland BK 9 Demo [Re: Dnj]
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Well it can't be worse then your S950 grin


Edited by FransN (04/26/13 11:02 AM)

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#365666 - 04/26/13 10:56 AM Re: Roland BK 9 Demo [Re: FransN]
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Originally Posted By: FransN
Well it can be worse then your S950 grin


Nothing wrong with LIGHTNING FAST ACTION!! wink

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#365669 - 04/26/13 11:13 AM Re: Roland BK 9 Demo [Re: FransN]
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Certainly not Donny, it goes well with lightning fast keyboard switches wink

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#365677 - 04/26/13 12:57 PM Re: Roland BK 9 Demo [Re: FransN]
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Be nice guys.

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#365716 - 04/27/13 09:53 PM Re: Roland BK 9 Demo [Re: FransN]
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There seems to be a confusion between lightning fast actions and being able to play lightning fast...

Watch any concert pianist, and it's obvious that lightning fast passages are possible on VERY heavy actions. The thing that weight gives you is not speed, but precision of dynamics. It is VERY hard to dial in volume differences when you can barely feel the action at all. This may account for many arranger demos I hear where the player is having a hard time playing an entire line at one dynamic (or thereabouts). Horns, strings, winds, all of these things need lines that don't jump from note to note (unless that is a specific effect you are going for). The lighter the action, unless you are playing hard enough to keep it at close to the top (which ain't how horn and string players play!), the tougher it is to feel those subtle differences between mp and mf, for instance. And with modern arranger sample sets, those can often sound quite different.

One of the most telling audio things is the guitar patches with the 'hammer-on' velocity triggered sound. I have rarely ever heard anyone using one of those on a lightweight that doesn't get it when they DON'T want it as well as when they do.

Weight of the action is far more important than many think....
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#365717 - 04/27/13 10:03 PM Re: Roland BK 9 Demo [Re: FransN]
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Yep...you nailed it totally Diki smile

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#365721 - 04/28/13 02:42 AM Re: Roland BK 9 Demo [Re: FransN]
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All keyboards allow you to adjust the dynamics (How it responds to the speed of attack applied) of the keyboard per layer (Upper 1, Upper 2 etc.), therefore if it is a light keyboard but you are heavy handed you adjust the dynamics to suit and vice versa. (The separate layers also mean you can have 2 different instruments on and still give them their individual expression with just one dynamic action)

NOTE: It is best to use the Piano as your baseline and adjust the dynamics around this. (You can also have some fun if you reverse the dynamics of 1 layer so that it gets quieter the harder you hit it)

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#365724 - 04/28/13 07:52 AM Re: Roland BK 9 Demo [Re: FransN]
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Diki, I disagree with your assessment of triggering dynamics. The voice/instrument dynamics in the vast majority of arranger keyboards is strictly controlled by velocity - not pressure. Therefore, the weighting of the keys, if anything, would hamper dynamics - not enhance them.

Franz, Having played the S-950, only for a short time, they keyfeel is different from all previous PSR models. It more resembles the Tyros 2 and some of the older Rolands I played.

Key feel, at least for me, would have little or no bearing on whether or not I would purchase a particular arranger keyboard. It's what that keyboard sounds like that it most important. Whether it's made of cast-iron, stainless-steel, boron, carbon fiber or acrylic plastic is, however, a factor. I want something lightweight that facilitates easier transport and setup.

Speaking of carbon fiber (hijack), I got to play a couple carbon fiber guitars while in the keys - the sound was amazing, the fret fingering was very uniform, they never need neck adjustments, and they tolerate the harsh marine environment.

I sincerely hope the new BK9 works out for all of those that are currently anticipating the purchase of this keyboard.

Gary cool
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