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#370287 - 08/11/13 03:46 PM Re: Bye Bye Love Version 2 [Re: Saswick]
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The third one was a very good use of VH.
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#370296 - 08/12/13 12:00 AM Re: Bye Bye Love Version 2 [Re: Saswick]
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Great job Colin!
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#370305 - 08/12/13 06:41 AM Re: Bye Bye Love Version 2 [Re: Saswick]
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Thanks Don and Montunoman

Gradually getting to grips with this recording jobby.

Col

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#370322 - 08/12/13 12:06 PM Re: Bye Bye Love Version 2 [Re: Saswick]
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Personally, I wouldn't track any reverb with the VH. Or the lead vocal. If you are doing this by mixing down tracks, record those dry, then add the reverb afterwards. Still a bit phasey (if you have any chorus on the VH, take it off!) and wet for my tastes...

You have to remember what period music you are doing, too. Back in those days, you'd have had a reverb chamber. I don't think even plates were widespread then. But slapback echo was all over the place.

It's a good idea to have a close listen to the original records, and try to figure out what vocal treatment they are getting. A lot of 50's stuff, it's just some slapback and that's it. It helps keep the lead out front. Another good trick is to have LESS reverb on the lead voice than on the backing vox. That helps put the lead front and center.

If only they labeled reverb as 'distance'! That might help a lot of people visualize what they are doing. Adding reverb pushes something BACK in the mix. Now, that's great with strings, or backing singers, but you wouldn't EVER set up your band (if you had one!) with the singer behind everybody else... but that's what making the lead too wet does!

One more thing you might try doing... Seeing as how you can do overdubs, how about recording the lead take AFTER you have done everything else? That way, you can be ALL attitude and energy, without having to worry about playing anything or pushing buttons. That's how the big dogs do it..!

Keep it up! Every mix you ever do is a learning experience. rocker
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#370333 - 08/12/13 03:25 PM Re: Bye Bye Love Version 2 [Re: Saswick]
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Hi Diki

I did record all tracks dry as I mentioned before:

The Voicelive is set up to output two harmony voices one left and one right to separate tracks on the Zoom.

The Lead voice is muted in the VH.

All effects in the VH are turned off.

The effects in the VH are stereo so you get bleeding between the tracks if the are used, similarly the effects, for the same reason, in the Korg are turned off.

All the effects are applied post recording using Cubase.

The only problem with overdubbing the lead is I have to give the VH a signal to work with. At moment I am using the headphone output from the keyboard to generate the Harmonys. There is no output Buss on the zoom so I haven't figured out an easy way to do this. (Yet)

I will try tweaking the reverb on the vocal tracks as you mentioned.

Kind Regards

Col

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