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Bill

hurry you 76'ers...it's coming soon!! good new for some.

The walls crumble...

Who was it said Yamaha would never make a 76 Tyros? LOL

Mind you with even a 61 T4 costing $5299, I shudder to think what they are going to ask for a 76 T5!

PA3X 76... about $3999
BK-9... about $2300
Audya 76... about $4700

all other arranger manufacturers should be very afraid with the TYROS 76 comin....there will be alot of abandoning ship for sure...just wait and see.Its not just the 76 keys.........there will surly be more features also..

Well I am encouraged to think that just maybe Yamaha has finally taken the development of the arrangers away from those folks in the UK.

I wondered about that when they had Bert demoing the S950.
I thought then they saw the need for a rescue.

Bill G

So its going to called TYROS 5?

Yes, the new models will be called Tyros5-61 and Tyros5-76

physical build wish list:
- Smaller Case sized like PA3x
- Metal
- more pro / synth stage look (Black and Silver)
- no need for pop up screen on the 61 version
- smaller normal sized buttons

Done / Bought / Sold!

Very good find, Bill.

I think it was wise they kept the Tyros name, as well as adding the 76'er alongside the 61-note instead of offering just the one model.

It's nice to have the luxury of choice.

Ian

Hi DNJ,

Ketron already working on the new Audya. If we should at all fall be behind the newest technology, it won't be for too long though. In this case price will not dictate.

All the best my friend,

Henni

Hi all,

The Tyros 5 might very well make use of audio similar to the Audya.

Quoted "Insiders expect the new Tyros 5 (?), among others, will be equipped with a keyboard with 76 keys, there will be a connection for iPad/Tablet and that use will be made of the so-called LAP, Live Audio Playing, in the many styles. But as mentioned, for the exact specifications of the new Tyros is waiting until the end of October 2013."

Keep well all my friends,

Henni

Now, if they can keep the weight of the 76 the same as the weight of today's 61 (Tyros 4/3), then I'm in! And they should be able to make a 76 that is maybe only a couple of inches bigger than today's 61 (Ty4) since there is plenty of space on the left and right for more keys w/o adding alot to the overall width ...

Jim

Well 76 Key is what I asked for in that meeting a year in a half ago as well as other things as well so if it is what i think its going to be I AM IN so goodbye BK9 one keyboard to the Gig very excited about that option as least it gives us all something to talk about here for the nest couple of Mo.

Ron you wont be the only one "jumping ship" for the 76
Tyros 5....although I'm not one of them 61 is enough for my needs, it's a dream come true for so many true 76'ers.
Wonder if they will really improve the VH, add a Touch screen, XLR, etc, also? Good Luck.

right where do I give my damn money. I want this NOW.

T4 for sale in Finland. come get it

Yes if it is what I think it will be I am excited , i do love my Tyros 4 and prob will keep it as well. I just sold my RD 700 nx to get ready for this and prob will sell my bk 9 as I think the Tyros 5 will serve my need better the the BK9 My hope it they make it in Black and I do think a touch screen will be a part of the new unit. Better piano banks. Prob CF III prob much from the new clavinova series and beyond . I do hope a smaller profile in size I use a cart that hold a 61 key so I will Need to rework that aproch but I am sure I can do that I hope my Tyros 4 speaker system will be comp with new unit I use for rehab purpose at home. Better voc harmony will be well received and ability to toggle midi file and mp3 in real time. We'll let the dreaming begin . More outputs for recording so we can multitrack more track in real time I spoke about that in my meeting with Yamaha. But we will see.

So much for 'arranger players don't NEED 76 notes'!

Still, be interesting to see how many jump ship after they get the sticker shock...

It's pretty expected that the audio capabilities of the S950 will migrate upwards... What's more in doubt, though, will be whether they actually turn this into something significant. The main issues with the S950 is that the audio drum styles are a tiny fraction of the total style ROM, it's VERY slow and difficult to add any new ones (and, in the year or more since the S950 debuted, how many new, usable audio drum styles have come out?) and overall, they don't match up sonically with the MIDI instruments and effects.

Add to that that the audio multipads don't loop, and you get the idea that Yamaha let this out without much thought attached.

For this to be anything more than the gimmick it is on the S950, Yamaha need to radically up the percentage of ROM styles that have audio drums, have a pretty good library of extra styles to purchase (and make them not ridiculously expensive - fat chance!) and make loading them in a practical thing you can do at the gig, live, while you play. And throw in some way to easily import your own .WAV drum loops too, if the truth be told.

Then fix the multipad issue...

I have my doubts.

Ketron shouldn't even be raising a sweat..! This feature by Yamaha is a throwback to the SD-1, being ONLY drums. The Audya is still light years ahead of Yamaha with regard to having styles that have more than just drums done by audio tracks.

Be interesting to see if Yamaha join Korg and Roland in adding the Chord Loop (sequencer) feature, LOL

piano players do, and welcome 76 keys

Well, memory is (relatively) cheap ... having lots of GB of ROM (of some form) with lots of data (for audio, styles, sounds, etc. etc.), should be possible. I do hope though that they have kept EVERYthing that the Tyros 4 (and 3?) had, for backward compatibility. I'm hoping my hundreds of registrations still work at least "OK" on the Tyros 5 - albeit with some tweaking needed later to take advantage of new sounds on the Ty5.

Although I hope the keyboard's form factor is somewhat smaller (and lighter), I hope there is enough "blank" surface to put my KeyRig25 (2 octave MIDI controller) and Akai MX8 (which I use for sound FX) on top of the tyros5.

Just thinkin' of all the graet 'stuff' that will be coming soon when we start (in a few weeks?) seeing pictures and hearing audio demos of this new keyboard!

It's been ~6-7 years or so since my last purchase (Tyros 3) so I'm ready to "move up" (skipped the Tyros 4) ... esp. "move up" to 76 keys!

Jim

Now I'm really dreaming ... and hoping for ... things like ...

- 3 right parts, 2 left parts (so you can do layers for the LH easily)

- A separate 'part' that's easily accessable, for MIDI pedals (organ-like pedals)

- SSD instead of HD (doesn't have to be big ... I hardly use the space in the 40GB drive in my Tyros3

- Eight (or at least 6) variations for Styles (A,B,C,D,E,F?)
OR some method whereby drums track can play tiny, sublte nuances/differences like Pro Tools STRIKE does, while playing a style

- If they do a touch screen, how 'bout at least 8 user-programmable physical buttons on the panel (the CVP-609 has 4).

- Multipads able to play WAV or MP3 sounds (maybe the Tyros4 can already do this) for sound FX etc.

- Wireless Direct-to-Brain (WDB) interface so I just think about which sound or style I want, and it's there (OK, now really dreamin'!) :-)

Jim

I'm pleased that Yamaha was wise enough to give players a choice...61 or 76 keys.

Ian

I think for Yamaha to have the confidence in releasing a 76 Tyros for the first time I am sensing this model is going to be a phenomenal & irresistible instrument and possibly quite a significant difference in performance if, for example, all styles are Audio, and if backwards compatibility is preserved and plays everything better then we're looking at something special here.

Smart move by Yamaha to wait while its flagship T4 still rakes in the dough worldwide.., ...then wait for KORG to reveal it's hand with the PAx series upgrade units, listen to feedback, and then raise them a TYROS 5 with 61 & 76 keys and I'll bet a whole lot more feature wise to sweeten the pot!!

Donny,

Using this logic is very smart that Korg new flagship is only coming out next year, once the new Tyros is revealed... and so on.
Truth is they all simply release a new arranger when it's ready and market asks for it.

All the manufacturers are pretty much on their own release cycle. As long as it takes to design, voice and style these things, I doubt anyone can respond quickly to new features that come out on other arrangers.

Don't forget... this is a YAMAHA we are talking about. Baby steps..!

It's pretty much a gimme we'll see the audio drums and multipad stuff from the S950. 6 Variations? It will be a cold day in Hell! Touch screen? Possibly... CVP's have already got one. But don't forget who we are talking about.

Baby steps!

Wow 6 variations! Never thought of that before!!

Been asking for this for years... actually, a LOT more interested in more fills to join up however many Variations you DO get. A 4 Variation arranger needs 16 different fills to cover every possible transition (including Fill-to-Same). Even today's 6 fill arrangers fall far short in providing smooth transitions from any Variation TO any Variation.

Up that to 6 Variations, and the need for radically more fills goes up.

One thing I'd REALLY like to see (only Ketron has it at the moment, I believe) is a different Break/Fill for every Variation... The break/fill that works for Var4 (the busy one) is wildly inappropriate for the Var1.

Something else that might FINALLY make the Tyros sampler actually more than a little used gimmick (and an expensive one at that) is to open it up to multisample import... Akai especially. It's an underused part of the OS while Yamaha brickwall it off from the largest libraries out there. It is WAY past time that Yamaha do Akai import...

But it's Yamaha... is anyone expecting anything ground-breaking? It has taken them 13 YEARS just to try the 76 market again!

I would like to see a outputs for drums and bass so on live and studio. Work I can send those to the house to get more of a band mix and guitar and solo inst sis well this would be awesome. For recording in real time and allow a better live mix

Watch what you wish for,...with all these wish list things before long the two factions synth & arranger will become closer and eventually become "AS ON" entity!!

Your main problem with auxiliary outs is that, unless the effects section is doubled or tripled in its entirety, the aux outs have to be bone dry. The main reverb and chorus sends all go to the same section, so there's no way to separate the reverb return to the drums from the reverb return to the piano, for instance.

However, I think it would be wonderful if an aux out (and the internal speakers) carried a separate mix of the entire output. Even something as simple as an increase in the balance of the Keyboard Parts to the Style/SMF/MP3 Parts would help us hear ourselves better without swamping the backing, which is something I tend to hear in 90% of all user demos. If we could up the 'me' in the mix without it being reflected in the main outs, that would be really useful!

I simply would like to have different assignable. Outs for drums and bass parts you can do it now but it is cumbersome if we could control bass and drums with its own dedicated outputs we could have a much better live mix and give it a band like flavor and allow the sound guy to mix like a band in larger Events even if it is dry that would be ok I could add a reverb to the post I would like that. It poss with the units now but if there was a button on board to control that that would be nice. it poss with the keyboard mixer to boost but what I am talking about a step line to the board for drums and bass.

If the soundman has any MIDI capability, he could always mix the different Parts with that rather than having separate outputs...

While you can quite easily get away with the bass Part having no effects, putting all the drums out through one jack basically isn't really an option, as you can't apply any outboard reverb to say the snare and toms without it getting on the kick too (which you need pretty dry).

Thing is, whether the Parts are mixed in the box or out of the box, it is still simply mixing them... but inside the box, the options and capabilities are far higher. You still get full parametric EQ on each drum, reverb sends, even insert effects. And all under MIDI control. If you REALLY need a guy in FOH adjusting the Parts, just get him to use a MIDI fader bank and you are good to go. Separate outs won't really work unless you get say eight of them. No chance of that!

My G70 has a pair of AUX outs, but I've never had FOH need separate outs except when I'm doing LH bass, which can be dry, no problem. But drums, you need some ambiance at the very least...

Tyros 4 has the same outs like the G70 it has 4 asin outputs in fact you can assign the 3rd and 4 th output to a snare bass cymbal ect I use it to record up to 4 track at a time when I multitrack a midi file. I would just like there to be separate out puts for drum kit and bass so that I can run to my mixer and have a larger band like feel to my Shows I can do it now but it does not translate that well. Somehow I think in the future models this would be nice to use in a studio to cut your recording time down I think you can only do it with a midi file and not a style .

Hmmm . . . What's going on? That document in the OP no longer mentions anything about a Tyros 5, in either a 61 or a 76.

Did someone screw up in preparing that sheet? Hmmm, indeed.

It may have been deleted for some reason, 124...maybe by Yamaha, and maybe it was something we weren't supposed to know yet? I see the Tyros4 is still there, and also the new CP-4 digital stage piano that was just released.

Someone had sent a similar link in one of our Yahoo forums (Yamaha).

Very strange...

Ian

Yep, colour me suspicious. Oh to be a fly on the wall in that office.

I thought something was fishy. I looked at the web page from the link posted and I didn't see anything about a Tyros 5. So now it all makes sense. Someone deleted the info on the Tyros 5-61/76 key and now we have to speculate the meaning of that deletion. Did Yamaha request the deletion in order to keep the lid on tight (secrecy in order to create more hype?) or was it merely a mistake by the website in the first place and Yamaha simply alerted them of the mistake that there really isn't any Tyros 5, least of all a 76 key version? Or perhaps the name of the keyboard will no longer be called "Tyros" and therefore Yamaha had them delete the reference because they listed it as a Tyros instead of the real name which Yamaha has yet to announce? So many theories to choose from but it makes you wonder why Yamaha would go to the trouble of leaking information to a Canadian online certifications directory and then all of sudden delete all references of that information.

Now enter George Kaye. Who obviously has an inside knowledge of Yamaha central and George is reaffirming that Yamaha is in fact producing a Tyros 5 and it will apparently be available in both 61 and 76 key versions. Since George has yet to refute his previous proclamation the obvious conclusion is Yamaha is actually building a Tyros 5 both in 61 and 76 key variations but it may in fact be called something other than Tyros. Or again, maybe Yamaha had them delete the information because they'd rather surprise the public at a global trade show such as NAMM which would stimulate more excitement then for people to guess for several months what in fact a Tyros 5 with 76 keys would entail and in the interim the hype would likely die down considerably after dragging on for several months and when Yamaha does release the new keyboards to the public the excitement for the most part will have already fizzled out which could result in fewer overall sales. That's just a theory of course and your guess is as good as mine as to why Yamaha listed something and then retracted it. It seems to me that Yamaha is playing a game of cat and mouse and as we know the mice usually end up on the menu for dinner. In other words, Yamaha does whatever is in their best interest and we the consumer will have to deal with it.

In conclusion, we can hope for the best but we should prepare for the worst. In other words, since Yamaha doesn't want the public to know what they know (at least currently anyway) we shouldn't get too excited about something that may or may not even exist... either on paper, or in real life. But there is a glimmer of hope because George Kaye hasn't retracted his previous (and what I believe is inside information) about the so-called Tyros 5-61/76 blockbuster arranger keyboard that could in fact be just figments of our imagination, if not for the trustworthiness of George Kaye and his highly qualified relationship with Yamaha central. Until George says otherwise we can assume there will be a forthcoming Tyros 5-61/76, although it might be called something other than Tyros. Either way, they'll likely cost an arm and a leg... so I guess we should start saving up now.

All the best, Mike

76 keys? Sounds like a shot to the Audya 76. And Bk9, although you can get two for the price of a new tyros. I can't imagine Roland will sit still and leave their dual screen setup out there. Maybe Roland will convert to a touch screen to try and stay in the fight. I wonder if everybody will like the new tyros and finally let go of their g70's. Perhaps Yamaha is looking to that too- they do fish here and can see the Roland fans declaring the g70 is still king. BK5's are slowly dying among performers and jamming up the used (after 2-7 days market). Korg's pa3x 76 is significantly less expensive and quite the value for the features in comparison.. I am curious to know if they (yamaha)are not concerned with Korg. As far as the + rom, I believe they will just follow roland's lead and have an interface for an ipad and suggest you use the storage capacity there....today's technology..
The more that (ipad integration)becomes popular among manufacturers, the more I think it's better to keep what you like and feels good to play, and go the Varranger or similar route if you are going to use an an outboard device. Less expensive than upgrading....oh Dan..

I do not think George need to retract anything he did not say anything other then what he thinks it is gonna be Yamaha is very protective about new releases and he is not spoiling anything here .

It is highly likely a 76 key in the works the market is demanding it and yamaha knows that It was mine and George's suggestions to yamaha 15 mo ago that a 76 key unit would be highly recommended We both hope they listened any way we will soon know.

Right you are sparky. I'm glad Yamaha has reversed course because for the longest time they didn't want to build a 76 key high-end arranger after the problems they experienced with the PSR-9000PRO. But as we know there is actually a relatively high demand for 76 keys and obviously Roland, Ketron and Korg have seized on that opportunity. Musicforyourday has reiterated what I also feel. That George Kaye knows the skinny but I think Yamaha may have alerted him to "lay low" since Yamaha probably wants to keep things 'hush hush' until they are announced officially. 256 note polyphony will be a great incentive to buy one but I guess we shouldn't count our chickens before they hatch. It will likely have all the bells and whistles but 256 note polyphony will knock it out of the park in my opinion. That feature alone will have people breaking down the doors to get one. That is of course if the other features are top notch as well. I'm assuming they will be. The sounds should be fabulous and I think the guitars will likely blow everything else out of the water. For $5,000+ they better right?

It would be great if we could get them by Christmas but probably not since they'll likely be showcased at either winter NAMM or Musikmesse early next year. Which is okay with me since I'm in no real hurry to fork over five grand (or more) for a keyboard. If they're the bees knees then the asking price may be worth it I suppose. What would really be nice is if Yamaha released them at prices comparable to the competition but don't hold your breath. Will find out soon enough I reckon.

All the best, Mike

This has become very interesting. I suspect it's a case of the cat being accidentally let out of the bag (due to Bill's sharp eyes)and an attempt to put it back in by deleting the information.

As the new CVP-609 has 256 note poly, it wouldn't be a big shock to see it on the Tyros5...and also a touch screen seems a giant possibility (also on CVP-609).

Time will tell...


Ian

T5 76 ....... Priceless

I agree Nigel I just hope it not. We still need to be able to buy it.

There is a reason for the "high price" of the Tyros line.
1-The cost of everything has gone up...
Fuel, Cost of Materials, shipping costs, import costs, etc.
2-The MAP Policy (Minimum Advertised Price)
Clavinova Dealers pushed to have a higher margin on the Tyros
MAP price = $5299
Street price for a Tyros 4 = $3999 (Very close to Korg PA3X)

When the PA900 came out, Korg dropped the Retail and MAP price by a BIG chunk. Maybe Yamaha will take note to keep the price down or similar to current levels. At today's pricing, a Tyros 5-61 would MAP at $5499 and the Tyros 5-76 for $5999... even though the Street price would be in the $3999 to $4299 range. Sales can be a game at times. It's not about the music, it's about delivering a product to earn them money from a market they helped to create.

We'll see... only the future will tell.

Goooood News!!! Very like the Audio function!

I still don't see why Yamaha can't use the NP31 keybed with PSR7xx or better electronics to give those of us who haven't won the lottery a fighting change of affording the thing. I'd adore a Tyros but there's no way I can justify the expense for what these days is very part time weekend job.

So any word on when its going to be released, inside information tells me dutch dealers will get to see testa nd play the new beast at 20 th oktober..

Hmm, I thought it was in Spain and not until Oct 24th?

Also, I wonder how the word (reviews, commentary, photos?) will actually get out to us? Dealers in Spain posting to a Web site? Word-of-mouth from dealers in Spain? Or will Yamaha post all the "gory" details on their official Web site right on Oct 24th? The suspense is "killing" me! :-)

-Jim

The only thing about this news for me is that it's coming from Canada.When it comes to keyboards,we in Canada usually get it last.And that is with all keyboards,not just Yamaha.

Hello everyone, I'm a new member here. I'm from Germany, just bought the new Yamaha MoXF yesterday. The dealer invited me to join a presentation in December, in which the successor of the Tyros 4 will be presented! So this is another confirmation that it is definitely going to be released.

Take pictures for us and welcome to SZ

Personally, I do NOT like the NP-30 keybed... A friend has one, and a sorrier action I haven't played in a long while (if you discount the S950 I played a few weeks ago).

Yamaha make an excellent 76 for the Motif XF7. I sincerely hope they use that one...

Yeah, the NP-30 is a $300 (US) keyboard; I wouldn't want to have its keybed (I have an NP-30) on a $4000+ arranger!

Jim

The NP-30 doesn't have aftertouch either...a $4000+ arranger should have aftertouch. Having been spoiled by the aftertouch on my present arranger, I would really miss it.

The NP-30, however, has dedicated MIDI in/out and has been used by quite a few arranger owners as an inexpensive second (lower) keyboard to give the player more of a double manual organ type experience.

It appears to work very well in that application, plus, even on it's own, I think it does have a great piano sound (same as P95), has layering capabilities (piano & strings) and is super, super portable.

I'm pretty sure Captain Russ has one and plays it occasionally (on a plane, I think).

Ian

What I'm hearing thru the grapevine NEW TYROS 5 ?
Get ready to be Amazed!!

Are you talking about the T4???

It certainly has after touch and has the same keybed as the Motif 61 key - a fairly popular keyboard.

I'm pretty sure now that the Tyros 5 models won't be received in the USA until December with very limited availability and the official "coming out party" will be at the Winter NAMM Show.

George good news makes sense Thanx

Can't wait to see & hear new Tyros 5. George when will we actually get a look at her?. I picked up an s750 as a handy light 2nd tier kboard, excellent sounds, but the keybed is shocking! So cheap @ nasty! I know the T5 will be better, will need to be for the dollars required. Yamaha, glad i didn't spring fir the S950 $$$$ as no way would justify extra bucks for that keybed.

MAP price for the 61 key should be just under the current Tyros4 and about $250.00 more for the 76 key version. There will also be a "bundle" version with speakers like the tyros4 external add ons, flash memory and stand.
The little bit of information I know is that there will be new pianos, more and new SA2 voices, new styles and lots of new options when playing chords from both the right and left side of keyboard. I have no info yet on features and if there is a touch screen or not.
I do know that the keyboard will be shown in Germany on the 25th of October so we should get a lot of information by this weekend.
I did confirm that a small amount will arrive hopefully in December.

So, is it Germany the 25th of October or Spain the 24th?