Damn, I have to agree with Diki again.
DonM

absolutely beautiful, and like Ian says it is the player in the first place who has to pull it off. Incidentally I played the new Yamaha DGX650 (88 keys, weighted) which in Europe sells for 760 euros, fantastic piano sounds, additional 500 sounds and 200 styles. Might be an idea ?

Could you fill in the exact value changes you made to the piano sound as regars, filter, eq and reverb ? I would like to implement them on my PSR750 grand piano and see what happens....

kind regards,
John Smies

I really enjoyed your rendition. Thanks for sharing!

Nice tune, well played, .. .....it's screaming for a style to come in like "Rock Ballad" or West End Ballad" to give it more life half way thru.

Thanx for sharing.

Thanks fellas!

Gary.., funny you mentioned the MO8. I used to own that board and to date I'm still kicking myself in the (you know what) for getting rid of it.

At the time I wasn't where I wanted to be with a computer set up, so my work was primarily hardware, and I had to rely heavily on internal sequencers. The limited 64 note poly on that MO just wasn't cutting it for me, but DAMN! I'd sure love to have that board again just for those keys and it's controller capabilities.

If you're not used to playing on weighted keys.., don't feel bad about the age thing. There are many players in their 20's who have to recover from an evening of playing on weighted keys. That's why I play on a real piano several times a week to keep my fingers in shape (thankfully I have a friend who is kind enough to let me play their piano).

John.., the settings for this piano are VERY simple. First I have to note that I "do not" use any EQing on the overall keyboard sound. I keep that set to FLAT.

For the sound I used the Live Grand

Filters:
Bright -11
Harmo -2

Scroll over to the Effect Tab:
Set Low EQ to +8
Set Hi EQ to +2

DSP Depth set to 40. (this area is really suited to taste.., you could add more or less)

That's it.., it really didn't take much editing. The biggest change you'll hear to this sound is when you roll off on those filters. You'll immediately hear the sound darken when you drop the "Bright".

Thanks Squeak, I will give it a try first thing tomorrow morning and let you know what I find...........

regards,
John

...which I did.

Does not really work out well according to me on the PSR750, that is I prefer the factory live grand piano. With the settings that you use on the 700 the sound becomes too muffled, but then again it is all a matter of taste. Besides I gather that the PSR750 samples are different if not necessarily better than those on the 700. Ah well I am not really a piano player ( wish I was) and I keep on saying this, I played the new DGX650 and think it is a marvellous piano sound for a budget price. But first I have to think "harmoniser " and " acoustic guitar ", so the DXG will be on my wishlist for next year.

regards,
John

Some of us need to reacquaint ourselves with a REAL piano. And a good one, at that..!

While bright pianos can help you cut through a mix, unless you are talking say a Yamaha CIIIF or the like (and even that is nice and warm at medium touch), you'll find that, until you really pound it, a real piano IS nice and warm and darker than you think. So, if you go for the exposed piano as the solo instrument, you really do need to darken it down somewhat, especially Yamaha arrangers, where the piano's come extremely bright and tinkly.

One of the reasons I like my G70's main piano is that it comes OOTB pretty much like a real piano. A lot of people have commented that it seems not bright enough, but I disagree. It sounds like a piano! Not a piano with a boatload of high EQ, low rolloff, and hardened hammers...

I think squeak's tweaks have done a great job of returning believability to the Yamaha's piano sound.

SPOT ON DIKI! I guess it kinda goes along with one of DNJ's posts where he said "I'm not a piano player". Some players stick to keyboards and units with synth action keys (and that's it). So some of these over bright, tinky tonk sounding pianos in a few keyboards are acceptable to their ears.

You're absolutely right in that a real pianos tone is FAR from what you hear on say a Yamaha arranger. It's MUCH MUCH warmer, and "muddied up" in a good way depending on how you have the lid set. Plus I think many seem to forget that a piano is like other stringed instruments in that they sound better with age. You get an amazing warm, deep, and dark sound from a 30+ year old grand that has been taken care of.

I have a couple user pianos that I edited on my S-700 to simulate various positions of the lid and room size. A few are very warm, and some very dark simulating a completely closed lid.., AND they still get brighter as I spank the keys a little harder.

Sqk

Squeak,

This is a very nice edit for the Live! Grand.

It adds a warmth and softness (but no wooliness) I love to hear doing jazz ballads.

I like it better than my own setting (below) which works very well too.



Filter:

Harmonic Content: +2

Brightness: -12



Scroll to Effect tab.

EQ High: +32

EQ Low: +44

Reverb is Hall 3 at around 20 or to taste.


I have the Master EQ set as follows:

Q: 2.2

Freq: 70Hz

EQ 1: +2 db

EQ 2: -1 db

EQ 3: -24 db

EQ 4: -1 db

EQ 5: +2 db

Again, thanks for sharing you settings, and, of course, your excellent playing.

Ian