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#375057 - 11/12/13 05:13 PM Styles parts comparison
mrdave Offline
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Roland G / BK
4 Mains
4 Intros
4 Endings
6 Fill-ins
each part can have different patterns for Maj/Min/7th chords
54 total patterns

Korg Pa
4 Mains
3 Intros
3 Endings
4 Fill-ins
1 Break
You can have 6 different patterns for main and 2 patterns for others, assignable to different chord types.
46 total patterns

Yamaha Tyros/PSR
4 Mains
3 Intro
3 Endings
4 Fill-ins
1 Break
1 pattern for each
15 total patterns

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#375060 - 11/12/13 05:58 PM Re: Styles parts comparison [Re: mrdave]
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How about Audya in comparison?
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#375067 - 11/12/13 08:03 PM Re: Styles parts comparison [Re: mrdave]
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How many do Really need to perform a song effectively?)
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#375069 - 11/12/13 10:23 PM Re: Styles parts comparison [Re: mrdave]
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Hi

Originally Posted By: mrdave

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Yamaha Tyros/PSR
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1 pattern for each
(snip)


Wrong. Each part can have different patterns for all combinations of chord types.

Please read: http://www.jososoft.dk/yamaha/articles/style_11.htm (1st column)

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#375075 - 11/13/13 01:35 AM Re: Styles parts comparison [Re: mrdave]
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Roland and Ketron can play 3 patterns per part (Maj / Min / 7th)
Korg it's 6 patterns for Mains, and 2 for other
Yamaha is, as Jorgen saied : you can record 16 tracks per part.
Then you decide witch track will play with witch chord pattern.
So you can for example share the drums for all patterns, but decide to record another bass track for minor chords...
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#375077 - 11/13/13 04:15 AM Re: Styles parts comparison [Re: DAN.2000]
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Originally Posted By: DAN.2000
Roland and Ketron can play 3 patterns per part (Maj / Min / 7th)
Korg it's 6 patterns for Mains, and 2 for other
Yamaha is, as Jorgen saied : you can record 16 tracks per part.
Then you decide witch track will play with witch chord pattern.
So you can for example share the drums for all patterns, but decide to record another bass track for minor chords...


Which makes yamaha styles more versatile..

but then i think all major style formats have more then enough to offer almost all players... So the only thing that counts is the quallity of onboard styles... but also the number of high quallity user created style files that are on offer for free, and the number of high quallity sound and style expansions sold by the dealers.

And for the more daring musicians, the ease of use for creating your own high quallity styles.. tough i prefer to edit styletracks on a computer..and then export them..


Edited by Bachus (11/13/13 04:16 AM)
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#375085 - 11/13/13 05:48 AM Re: Styles parts comparison [Re: joso]
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Originally Posted By: joso
Hi
Wrong. Each part can have different patterns for all combinations of chord types.


Thanks for the link, really interesting, now I know more about how Yamaha styles works, The info I put in the first place were taken assuming what specified in the product manual, I never owned a Yamaha keyboard.
Now I understand also why playing Yamaha styles as .mid files sometimes I hear duplicate notes with different pitches, these are probably alternative notes assigned to chords.

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#375087 - 11/13/13 05:53 AM Re: Styles parts comparison [Re: Hal2001]
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Originally Posted By: Hal2001
How about Audya in comparison?

Ketron has 4 Mains, 3 Intros, 3 Endings, 4 Fill-ins, 4 Breaks
All with 3 patterns (Maj/Min/7th) each

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#375103 - 11/13/13 07:25 AM Re: Styles parts comparison [Re: mrdave]
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Hi

Originally Posted By: mrdave

(snip)Now I understand also why playing Yamaha styles as .mid files sometimes I hear duplicate notes with different pitches, these are probably alternative notes assigned to chords.


Yes, the styles having alternative (chord dependent) patterns do often sound defective - or at least strange - when played as MIDI.

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#375105 - 11/13/13 08:10 AM Re: Styles parts comparison [Re: travlin'easy]
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Originally Posted By: travlin'easy
How many do Really need to perform a song effectively?)


C'mon, Gar ... You know you only need one, but it is about having the RIGHT one ... wink
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#375113 - 11/13/13 09:22 AM Re: Styles parts comparison [Re: mrdave]
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Tony, for some strange reason, I always seem to find the right one, and I usually don't have to look very far to find it. And, I can improve on it by using the keyboard's onboard Style Creator program.

I think what really amazes me, and Diki too, is the number of people that seem to want the world's total arranger keyboard functions built into THEIR keyboards, when 99.9 percent of those same individuals never take the time to crack the user manual, let alone delve into the keyboard's myriad of incredible features. I know of several forum members here that have never taken an operating manual out of the Zip-Loc bag in came in when the keyboard arrived at the front door.

Cheers,

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#375120 - 11/13/13 09:54 AM Re: Styles parts comparison [Re: mrdave]
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Good post Gary

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#375124 - 11/13/13 10:44 AM Re: Styles parts comparison [Re: mrdave]
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To be quite honest a user manual is a waste of time, as in 99.9% of cases they are indecipherable, the best way is just play about with what you have got and see what happens. (A quick start up guide is always good though)

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#375152 - 11/13/13 02:23 PM Re: Styles parts comparison [Re: travlin'easy]
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Originally Posted By: travlin'easy
Tony, for some strange reason, I always seem to find the right one, and I usually don't have to look very far to find it. And, I can improve on it by using the keyboard's onboard Style Creator program.

I think what really amazes me, and Diki too, is the number of people that seem to want the world's total arranger keyboard functions built into THEIR keyboards, when 99.9 percent of those same individuals never take the time to crack the user manual, let alone delve into the keyboard's myriad of incredible features. I know of several forum members here that have never taken an operating manual out of the Zip-Loc bag in came in when the keyboard arrived at the front door.

Cheers,

Gary cool


Gary ... that's what I was getting at - having the tools/options available to create the intro/break/fill/ending I want for any particular song ...
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#375178 - 11/13/13 04:20 PM Re: Styles parts comparison [Re: mrdave]
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Bill,

With every keyboard I've owned over the past two decades, I've been able to sit down with the user manual next to the keyboard and go through all the features. Never had a problem deciphering them, but I will admit, they are very poorly written and constructed.

Gary cool
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#375460 - 11/16/13 06:21 PM Re: Styles parts comparison [Re: mrdave]
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They are manuals, not tutorials...
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#375464 - 11/16/13 06:40 PM Re: Styles parts comparison [Re: mrdave]
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Yes, they are. I've written several tutorials, though, based upon what I learned from the manuals,plus practical experience using the products first hand.

Gary cool


Edited by travlin'easy (11/16/13 06:41 PM)
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#375465 - 11/16/13 06:52 PM Re: Styles parts comparison [Re: travlin'easy]
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Originally Posted By: travlin'easy
Yes, they are. I've written several tutorials, though, based upon what I learned from the manuals,plus practical experience using the products first hand.
Gary cool


Actually, there is a wealth of info on PSR Tutorial...hence the name. wink

There is also a section of the forum called "Secrets You Won't Find in the Manual".

Great stuff all around.

Gary, you have contributed much to PSR Tutorial, both in the main section and on the forum...many have learned a lot from your information, including me.

You have my gratitude.

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#375490 - 11/16/13 08:49 PM Re: Styles parts comparison [Re: mrdave]
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I'm not really sure factory Tutorials are all that great. TBH, they seldom explore the more creative parts of the OS, tend to be glib, facile pablum that most, other than the rawest tyro, already know how to do.

On the whole, the User Forums for most gear do a FAR better job than any factory tutorial to explain features and demonstrate capabilities.
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