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#378029 - 12/13/13 05:40 AM Re: The open arrangers [Re: DAN.2000]
Bachus Offline
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Originally Posted By: DAN.2000
Bachus, I did not create a test version, because of piracy problems.
I am not an expert on how to prevent piracy, and I am sorry that many person abort the idea of vArranger because of that.

There is a money back possibility, I can explain the conditions in a private email


You can solve most of the piracy issue, by creating a sepperate version of Varranger that only has room for 32 instruments, and 8 styles, and allows to connect a single VST.. it would be totally useless for anyone to pirate on, but it would be enough to let people test your software...

I need to think about your money back offer, not a fan of that either, but it is atleast something..



Edited by Bachus (12/13/13 05:41 AM)
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#378030 - 12/13/13 06:42 AM Re: The open arrangers [Re: Diki]
abacus Offline
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Registered: 07/21/05
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Originally Posted By: Diki
Originally Posted By: DAN.2000
I will not create 1100 sounds and 77 kits.

I will start with ... drums, bass, piano, epiano, sax, brass, flute...
Not tons, but very good quality.

If all drumkits in roland can be swaped, it's a good thing.
That mean that I only have to do one mapping to be Roland style compatible smile

Most of drumkits use the same sounds, but only changes some snare drums, etc...


Thing is Dan, first things first. You make a software arranger, but no styles. Therefore, you are playing Yamaha, Ketron and whatever else styles that it is compatible with. I don't know if you have spent much time on any of the latest arrangers (although they have been WAY past the GM soundset for over ten years), but these styles don't just use ONE piano, or one bass, or one Rhodes, etc. They have dozens of them, as different as chalk and cheese. What works with one style doesn't work for another.

If you think about it, this is like expecting a 50's Latin band to use the exact same instruments as a 90's rock band! Not just a piano, drums, percussion and bass and guitar, but the SAME piano, bass, drums and guitar. But in reality, they wouldn't have one thing in common. Musical instruments in the real world have evolved over the years. In fact even the lowly Rhodes came in several different varieties, all quite different from each other. Guitarists play Strats, Tele's, Gibson's (Les Paul's and 335's) PRS's and a myriad others, none sounding alike.

I kind of shudder at the thought of an arranger with such a limited palette, even if those few sounds are quite excellent. The idea sounds OK, until you think that, that's ALL you are going to have. To cover everything from 20's jazz to 90's smooth rock, to 21st century electronica... It just can't be done. If it could, don't you think the majors would have only 128 sounds, but they all be GREAT?

The styles are going to call up thousands of different sounds, but you are going to try to play them ALL with the same few?

This is what sank the MS. Be careful navigating the same waters...


I think the appropriate point here is that Dan says he will start with a good quality basic set before moving on to increase the number available.

This is the most sensible way to do things as most voices are variations on others, (A piano is still a piano in all variations) and while it will take time to increase the numbers available they will be guaranteed to be of good quality. (Yes it would be nice to have all 1100 sounds and 77 kits done at the same time but no manufacture has ever done this (Hardware or Software) so best to follow the proven track)

BTW although you may have 1100 sounds and 77 kits available, 99% of users will only use about 10% of them, just like they only use about 10% of the styles available.

Let’s face it Diki, you have been asking for the chord sequencer to be returned for over 10 years and only recently have Korg & Roland bought it back, however Dan gave it you in a few weeks, so instead of keep putting obstacles in the way (Just like you did with Dom) work with Dan to make the software the best out there eventually incorporating everything you require. (As I can assure you the Big Boys won’t)

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#378031 - 12/13/13 06:48 AM Re: The open arrangers [Re: Bachus]
Dnj Offline
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Are there any explicit demos of how the vArranger works in real time all set up with a keyboard....specifically making changes to style, registrations setups, sounds etc... on the fly just as you would do on a gig with an all in one arranger?

thanx

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#378032 - 12/13/13 06:51 AM Re: The open arrangers [Re: Bachus]
adimatis Offline
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^^^ that.

And I think one good set of drums, sounding very ”live-acoustic” (if it makes sense) will be a great start.
Then, one ”live-acoustic” bass, one ”live-acoustic” piano etc. will soon provide the orchestra you need for playing various styles.

In the end, how many bass guitars a player changes during a concert? One? Two? Definitely, not many set drums got changed.

Does it make sense?
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#378033 - 12/13/13 06:58 AM Re: The open arrangers [Re: adimatis]
DAN.2000 Offline
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I am listening to all of you, even of course Diki:)


I sent my new beta version to one user. Some VST are not working...

However, 30 minutes later, he sent me a sound he did with vArranger and Independance VST

The sound is recorded with the new direct WAV-MP3 recorder included in vArranger

http://ubuntuone.com/3oMY7P2swHOlsB1TsUfk1t
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#378034 - 12/13/13 07:03 AM Re: The open arrangers [Re: Bachus]
adimatis Offline
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Independence is among my favourite VSTs...
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#378035 - 12/13/13 07:07 AM Re: The open arrangers [Re: Bachus]
DAN.2000 Offline
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The HiHats sounds a little bit too much

That's why I will start with the drums sampling smile

Not sure it it's a Ketron, Roland or Yamaha style

Still working on Korg, (almost OK for PA80) but started VST

Too much dreams are coming together...
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#378036 - 12/13/13 07:24 AM Re: The open arrangers [Re: Bachus]
abacus Offline
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Registered: 07/21/05
Posts: 5393
Loc: English Riviera, UK
Price comparisons for Diki

Tyros 5 (76) € 4,190.00
Tyros 5 (61) € 3,990.00
Audya (76) € 3,599.00
PA3x (76) € 3,399.00
Audya (61) € 3,298.00
Tyros 4 (61) € 3,275.00 Last Known Price
Pa3x (61) € 3,199.00
Pegasus Wing (76) € 2,790.00
Roland BK9 (76) € 1,999.00
Yamaha S950 (61) € 1,899.00
Korg PA900 (61) € 1,799.00

As you can see Diki, the Wersi is not hugely expensive at all. (Plus it can be upgraded via software, thus you do not have to buy a new keyboard to get the upgrade)

Bill
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#378041 - 12/13/13 07:51 AM Re: The open arrangers [Re: Bachus]
Irishacts Offline
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Registered: 11/18/01
Posts: 1631
Loc: Ireland
Hi Dan.

Two last questions from me.

1: Can vArranger edit styles?
2: What's the situation with updates, are they free or do you charge for them.

Regards
James

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#378043 - 12/13/13 08:32 AM Re: The open arrangers [Re: Bachus]
DAN.2000 Offline
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Loc: FRANCE
1- Not yet, but there is some software to convert midifiles with markers to Yamaha/Ketron/Roland/Korg styles

2- Updates are free since 5 years now
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