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#376529 - 11/27/13 11:07 AM Another short Tyros5 review
Tostie Offline
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During my lunch break this afternoon I noticed that the local music store was setting-up the new Tyros5. So I went inside for a short test drive of approximately 40 min. These are my findings:

The first thing I noticed was the fact that they (finally) removed a lot of the reverb on both individual sounds and styles. The Tyros5 doesn’t sound so ‘wet’ anymore like the Tyros1/2/3/4. A lot of the styles are remixed and utilize new sounds. The interface looks a little cleaner, but the layout is practically the same as on the Tyros4.

The acoustic piano section is mostly the same. The pop and concert piano sounded the same as on the Tyros4, although the dynamic range seems to be improved (more samples/note). I liked the new upright piano. In the EP section I spotted some new sounds, but even more noticeably was the difference in sound thanks to the new VCM effects. They sound more ‘vintage’ and ‘raw’ compared to the somewhat artificial EP sounds on the Tyros4.

I saw more changes in the (acoustic/electric) guitar section: a lot of new sounds and samples. It all sounded a lot drier, but thus more realistic. The electric guitars combined with new effects are a killer combo.

Finally I want to specifically mention the new classical organs. For me these are a superior unique selling point. I think it’s safe to say that the new classical organs in the Tyros5 are by far the best you can buy in an Arranger Keyboard or Synth. For those that are familiar with ‘Hauptwerk’ (VST Instrument), Tyros5 is coming close in terms of quality. The matching styles in the Movie&Show category are also great.

Furthermore, there are new sounds in all categories; too many to review them all separately. Noteworthy are the new classical- and jazz flute. A big improvement compared to the Tyros4. I have gone trough many sounds in a short amount of time, so I might have missed some other ‘striking’ new sounds.

One of the main innovations on the Tyros5 is the new Ensemble voice function. In short: all the Ensemble combinations sound amazing realistic. It just requires a slightly different way of playing. You constantly have to keep in mind what the limitation would be for a real string or blazer and translate this to your playing in order to sound as realistic as possible. It is a bit like playing with solo SuperArticulation instruments, but with less remedial support from the Tyros when playing ‘unnatural’.

Yamaha has solved the everlasting complaints about poor drums with the introduction of ‘Audiodrums’. It sounds fantastic, but I do not like the idea that styles that use Audiodrums are not backwards compatible. From a consumer perspective this is undesirable. My particular favorites were the new Queen, Coldplay en Adele styles. In those styles the Audiodrums come really alive.

After this story you might think ‘he already ordered one’, but no. The reason is quite simple: I was critical on the added value versus the additional costs that an upgrade to Tyros5 entails, and I still am. The worldwide retail price of the Tyros5 is much higher than the retail price of the Tyros4 when it was released. I have my doubts whether the T5 does offer that much more than the T4 as the T4 did compared to the T3. But I guess that’s something you have to answer for yourself.

So far for my short ‘review’

Best Regards,

Joost

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#376530 - 11/27/13 11:17 AM Re: Another short Tyros5 review [Re: Tostie]
Dnj Offline
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Registered: 09/21/00
Posts: 43703
Originally Posted By: Tostie
During my lunch break this afternoon I noticed that the local music store was setting-up the new Tyros5. So I went inside for a short test drive of approximately 40 min. These are my findings:

The first thing I noticed was the fact that they (finally) removed a lot of the reverb on both individual sounds and styles. The Tyros5 doesn’t sound so ‘wet’ anymore like the Tyros1/2/3/4. A lot of the styles are remixed and utilize new sounds. The interface looks a little cleaner, but the layout is practically the same as on the Tyros4.

The acoustic piano section is mostly the same. The pop and concert piano sounded the same as on the Tyros4, although the dynamic range seems to be improved (more samples/note). I liked the new upright piano. In the EP section I spotted some new sounds, but even more noticeably was the difference in sound thanks to the new VCM effects. They sound more ‘vintage’ and ‘raw’ compared to the somewhat artificial EP sounds on the Tyros4.

I saw more changes in the (acoustic/electric) guitar section: a lot of new sounds and samples. It all sounded a lot drier, but thus more realistic. The electric guitars combined with new effects are a killer combo.

Finally I want to specifically mention the new classical organs. For me these are a superior unique selling point. I think it’s safe to say that the new classical organs in the Tyros5 are by far the best you can buy in an Arranger Keyboard or Synth. For those that are familiar with ‘Hauptwerk’ (VST Instrument), Tyros5 is coming close in terms of quality. The matching styles in the Movie&Show category are also great.

Furthermore, there are new sounds in all categories; too many to review them all separately. Noteworthy are the new classical- and jazz flute. A big improvement compared to the Tyros4. I have gone trough many sounds in a short amount of time, so I might have missed some other ‘striking’ new sounds.

One of the main innovations on the Tyros5 is the new Ensemble voice function. In short: all the Ensemble combinations sound amazing realistic. It just requires a slightly different way of playing. You constantly have to keep in mind what the limitation would be for a real string or blazer and translate this to your playing in order to sound as realistic as possible. It is a bit like playing with solo SuperArticulation instruments, but with less remedial support from the Tyros when playing ‘unnatural’.

Yamaha has solved the everlasting complaints about poor drums with the introduction of ‘Audiodrums’. It sounds fantastic, but I do not like the idea that styles that use Audiodrums are not backwards compatible. From a consumer perspective this is undesirable. My particular favorites were the new Queen, Coldplay en Adele styles. In those styles the Audiodrums come really alive.

After this story you might think ‘he already ordered one’, but no. The reason is quite simple: I was critical on the added value versus the additional costs that an upgrade to Tyros5 entails, and I still am. The worldwide retail price of the Tyros5 is much higher than the retail price of the Tyros4 when it was released. I have my doubts whether the T5 does offer that much more than the T4 as the T4 did compared to the T3. But I guess that’s something you have to answer for yourself.

So far for my short ‘review’

Best Regards,

Joost


Thanx Joost .....Finally an informative Unbiased, "HONEST" review of T5 from a super pro player who knows what hes talking about.... cool2

Ciao


Edited by Dnj (11/27/13 11:18 AM)

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#376531 - 11/27/13 11:46 AM Re: Another short Tyros5 review [Re: Tostie]
DannyUK Offline
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Registered: 12/09/99
Posts: 1130
Originally Posted By: Tostie


After this story you might think ‘he already ordered one’, but no. The reason is quite simple: I was critical on the added value versus the additional costs that an upgrade to Tyros5 entails, and I still am. The worldwide retail price of the Tyros5 is much higher than the retail price of the Tyros4 when it was released. I have my doubts whether the T5 does offer that much more than the T4 as the T4 did compared to the T3. But I guess that’s something you have to answer for yourself.

So far for my short ‘review’

Best Regards,

Joost


This is probably the best review I've read of the T5 anywhere on the planet, unbiased, factual, truthful and balanced review of a product that I fully *expected* to feature some forms of an improvement and with additional features although perhaps not as overwhelmingly 'out of this world' as so many other posts have suggested (although admittedly I have read the biased comments elsewhere to be fair). I always enjoy and take people's opinions here far more seriously because even though it can be critical you know it will be also fairly accurate and close to the truth.

The reviews that I respect and take full note of are reviews that make fair comparisons and to describe why something is better but also keeping a realistic view that the instrument you're judging it against is still a fantastic product that doesn't become poor just because someone had upgraded.

I read one comment from another forum that made me chuckle so much that I had to turn away, in comparing to the T4, the comment went something like "The sound from Tyros 5 is now brilliant" as if to imply that the previous keyboards can all be disregarded as they sounded bad all of a sudden!

Thanks again for the mini review smile


Edited by DannyUK (11/27/13 11:55 AM)

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#376538 - 11/27/13 02:49 PM Re: Another short Tyros5 review [Re: DannyUK]
musicforyourday Offline
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Registered: 09/30/10
Posts: 733
Loc: So California, USA
I think your review is a good one except your first comment about the concert Piano there is a noticeable
Difference. I am surprised to hear that you could not tell the difference . I noticed right away They are not even close.
T5 much better. We all have our own opinions .


Edited by musicforyourday (11/27/13 02:51 PM)
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#376549 - 11/27/13 04:49 PM Re: Another short Tyros5 review [Re: musicforyourday]
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Registered: 03/02/02
Posts: 1221
Loc: Preston, Lancashire, England
I've just got back from a T5 demo given by Richard Bower of Yamaha UK.

As a 3k owner I can'y really tell you how good the T5 is compared to the T4, but I can tell you that all the voices mentioned by Joost were demo''d and sounded excellent. I was very impressed with the amplifier modelling on the guitars, and by the organ world section. The concert pipe organ sounded fabulous.

A large number of the styles used had familiar names but have clearly been edited to make full use of the newer voices in the T5. I appreciate that this was to be expected but it has been done to a consistently high standard to my ears.

The concert piano was given some serious solo playing and sounded as good as any digital piano I've heard. It was described as "a significant improvement over the T4".

The entire demo was played through the trs-ms05 speaker system alone, and it was plenty loud enough for the room with 40 ish people even with the concert organ being given plenty of stick.

As an experiment I played back om of my favourite PSR3000 sequences and that came over pretty well. Richard suggested that it would benefit from using one of the newer drum voices and indeed it sounded even better after this edit.

Richard was demonstrating the 76 key version and commented that the extra notes can really help when using the right3 split to give an easily accessible different voicing with sufficient range to be useful without compromising the amount of keyboard used for the mainstrean performance. As a pianist I like the 76 notes anyhow.

If I was getting a T5 I'd be getting the 76 key version, and I'd get the new speakers system as well!
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#376550 - 11/27/13 04:53 PM Re: Another short Tyros5 review [Re: Tostie]
Stephenm52 Offline
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Registered: 04/13/05
Posts: 5126
Loc: USA
Great review !

I'm with Ron, I thought there was a very noticeable difference in the concert Piano too, but as Ron mentioned we all have our own opinions

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#376553 - 11/27/13 05:09 PM Re: Another short Tyros5 review [Re: Tostie]
124 Offline
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Registered: 01/01/09
Posts: 2195
Has anyone tried and given any opinion on the harmoniser in the T5?

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#376557 - 11/27/13 07:11 PM Re: Another short Tyros5 review [Re: 124]
musicforyourday Offline
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Registered: 09/30/10
Posts: 733
Loc: So California, USA
Sorry I did not go thru it I ran out of time that day I hope it is Improved over T4 I think the reverb will be for sure.
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#376561 - 11/27/13 08:26 PM Re: Another short Tyros5 review [Re: musicforyourday]
Kytrinh Offline
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Registered: 11/18/12
Posts: 142
Loc: Australia
Again.. Just got back from a live T5 demo here in Australia's Capital. I won't elaborate on what has already covered but being the newest and latest there is no argument that it is better than the T4 if one was to break it down in detail and subtle nuances. However, the feeling was nothing like what I've heard from the T4 demo a few years back,, that left a big I WANT and indeed it was to "play your dream". With a $4500AU T4 change over price tag...
What do you think??

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#376566 - 11/27/13 09:40 PM Re: Another short Tyros5 review [Re: Kytrinh]
Dnj Offline
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Registered: 09/21/00
Posts: 43703
Whats funny if we reread this thread 2 years from now when Tyros 6 comes out it will read the same only T5 vs T6 is much better.... rolleyes

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#376570 - 11/27/13 10:38 PM Re: Another short Tyros5 review [Re: Tostie]
George Kaye Offline
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Registered: 11/24/99
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I played with the vocal harmonizer today and the presets are much improved. There are many new presets that just work well. Also, the new vocoder mode is great. There are about 12 presets when you tab over from the standard vocal preset mode to keyboard vocoder voice mode. I got all those cool synth sounds but using my voice as the source. Lots of fun!
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#376571 - 11/27/13 10:50 PM Re: Another short Tyros5 review [Re: Tostie]
Nick G Offline
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Registered: 11/16/05
Posts: 1115
Loc: Sydney, NSW, Australia
Hi Ky,

How long was the demo for? were there many people watching it?

There is no way its worth trading your T4 plus handing over 4.5k cash to get a T5.. IMHO! you need to ask yourself - what are you really lacking from the T4? is it drums? if so - the T5 is not going to be THAT much better... Ive heard alot of demos and any of the styles that are NOT audio styles on the T5 sound ALMOST the same as the T4...

If you are bored of the T4 or want some new sounds and styles - keep the T4 and purchase some of the premium expansion packs...

Yamaha use the audio styles to showcase the product really well. it makes the demonstrations sound unbelievable!... but only 40 styles are audio!!! They really know how to market something and close the deal with the customer but day to day use there is a good chance you will very soon get bored of them!

My PSR S950 has audio styles and they are the exact same quality of the T5.. just different styles... the fact that u can NOT edit or remix any of the audio drums is very frustrating... when you first get the keyboard you cant stop listening to them because they sound superb overall... but is your keyboard or song database actually needing the audio styles provided?? Just think of what styles u are using for most of your music or favorite songs u like playing day to day on the current T4 and ask yourself if having the extra 40 audio styles will change anything?? If yes - then great. but if not.. then they will be nothing but a gimmick to you...

Good Luck mate. let me know what you end up doing?
If you get a T5 ide be keen to come back for another rd trip and have a jam smile
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#376572 - 11/27/13 11:06 PM Re: Another short Tyros5 review [Re: Nick G]
Bachus Offline
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Registered: 03/02/06
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Originally Posted By: Nick G
Hi Ky,

How long was the demo for? were there many people watching it?

There is no way its worth trading your T4 plus handing over 4.5k cash to get a T5.. IMHO! you need to ask yourself - what are you really lacking from the T4? is it drums? if so - the T5 is not going to be THAT much better... Ive heard alot of demos and any of the styles that are NOT audio styles on the T5 sound ALMOST the same as the T4...

If you are bored of the T4 or want some new sounds and styles - keep the T4 and purchase some of the premium expansion packs...

Yamaha use the audio styles to showcase the product really well. it makes the demonstrations sound unbelievable!... but only 40 styles are audio!!! They really know how to market something and close the deal with the customer but day to day use there is a good chance you will very soon get bored of them!

My PSR S950 has audio styles and they are the exact same quality of the T5.. just different styles... the fact that u can NOT edit or remix any of the audio drums is very frustrating... when you first get the keyboard you cant stop listening to them because they sound superb overall... but is your keyboard or song database actually needing the audio styles provided?? Just think of what styles u are using for most of your music or favorite songs u like playing day to day on the current T4 and ask yourself if having the extra 40 audio styles will change anything?? If yes - then great. but if not.. then they will be nothing but a gimmick to you...

Good Luck mate. let me know what you end up doing?
If you get a T5 ide be keen to come back for another rd trip and have a jam smile

Overehere in europe when you trade your 3 year old still looking like brand new T4 for a T5 (76 model) you have to pay to pay about 1500 euro. i think thats reasonable for a 3 year perdiode... the T5 (76) sells for about 4k (euro)

and you get the extra 15 keys for that... going for a 61 key i asume would be more like 1200 euro..
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#376573 - 11/28/13 12:31 AM Re: Another short Tyros5 review [Re: Tostie]
Tony Hughes Offline
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Try this for size, it doesn't come much better, close your eyes and open your ears wide, doesn't sound like a KB does it.

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#376574 - 11/28/13 12:35 AM Re: Another short Tyros5 review [Re: Bachus]
Kytrinh Offline
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Registered: 11/18/12
Posts: 142
Loc: Australia
G'day Nick my friend...
smile there were in total 6 retirees at the demo. I purchased the T4 this time last year here at Better Music for $5200 so after about 1.5hrs and they've worked out a trade in price of 4.5k changeover, it was pretty much a slap in the face. I've already loaded my T4 with numerous packs and voices from Yamaha and other sites.
The 40 or so Audio styles are a highlight , but having also the Audya5 atop my T4, literally blow that section out of the water and let's be real about that.
Mate you are absolutely spot on, but I have to listen to it in real life n experience maybe that Wow factor. Like I said, a better keyboard than the T4 in terms of small increased nuances but just not enough to justify change. And for that price.. I'll keep the T4 and then if it's a must the T5 12 months later.
If I didn't have my current set up, then may be I'd blown away but as of now I'll wait for the soon to enter our shores the Ketron MidJ pro (boy the demo sounds so promising).
PS. Thanks to you I've ordered the PA3x .. Obviously not the same price, but you did have your name on that one still.. PA3x, not as colourful as Yamaha, but awesome sound through the PA... Gotta have one!
Next time if you have more time Nick.. You have an open invitation..
Awesome to see your posting and hope the board was the way it left your place to mine... It really should :):)
Kindest regards
Ky

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#376575 - 11/28/13 12:42 AM Re: Another short Tyros5 review [Re: Tony Hughes]
Kytrinh Offline
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Registered: 11/18/12
Posts: 142
Loc: Australia
Originally Posted By: Tony Hughes






Try this for size, it doesn't come much better, close your eyes and open your ears wide, doesn't sound like a KB does it.


Tony, I closed my eyes and the best part of that clip turned into darkness .....:)

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#376581 - 11/28/13 01:53 AM Re: Another short Tyros5 review [Re: Kytrinh]
Tony Hughes Offline
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Sorry in Australia opposite way, bung your ears up and open eyes wide, your having me on!!! bounce
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#376583 - 11/28/13 02:18 AM Re: Another short Tyros5 review [Re: Tony Hughes]
Kytrinh Offline
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Registered: 11/18/12
Posts: 142
Loc: Australia
Originally Posted By: Tony Hughes
Sorry in Australia opposite way, bung your ears up and open eyes wide, your having me on!!! bounce




:):):)

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#376584 - 11/28/13 02:45 AM Re: Another short Tyros5 review [Re: Tostie]
Henni Offline
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Registered: 12/01/08
Posts: 3456
Loc: South Africa
Hi Ky,

As you know, almost all of the stuff the T5 multipads do, can be achieved in the 5 year old Audya. Keytunes will also do almost everything the multipads do displayed in that long demo. (That demo sure gave me a lot of ideas for using keytunes...)

The only thing that really impressed me on the 1hour T5 demo was the guitar DSP effects - those are really awesome, but I would never be able to play those accurately in any case. Don Mason will really like those...

So, I'm still as elated as ever with my Ajamsonic Audya. I think the new Audya, that Ketron is currently working on, will be something to behold indeed. I mean, even the old one has the ability to use any audio part for any part of any style, something most of the Yamaha fans are frustrated over the new T5 for now.

Keep well my good friend,

Henni
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#376585 - 11/28/13 04:59 AM Re: Another short Tyros5 review [Re: Henni]
Kytrinh Offline
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Registered: 11/18/12
Posts: 142
Loc: Australia
Greetings Henni.
Yes, the stand out Wow factor in this mornings session was indeed when the guitars were showcased to full effects. And the realism of the strings/orchestral ensemble was an absolute joy to have witnessed such technology and to listen to.
Like you Henni, I'm very much a Style reliant player and find much delight in doing so. These new features will definitely be better showcased to the high calibre of someone like Joost here and DonM with his guitar works.
Like I wrote earlier, having my Ajamsonic Audya atop my T4, the 40 teasing Audio Styles in the T5 are like demonstration styles..you either like it or leave it..
The only downer is the price of theT5. If it was more realistic like those of the instruments, I would not hesitate to snap one up, but having already the T4 .. the cost somewhat outweigh the benefits for the time being...
In the end folks.. It's just another persons opinion of Another short Tyros5 review..
Kindest regards
Ky

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