Well unless I am mistaken this video has been out for some time with little sign of the sarcastic comments in this thread from certain adherents of this group.

No arranger can be correctly assessed by listening to You Tube compressed audio except of course by those blind to all but their own opinion.

"My car is faster than yours because its red" springs to my mind.

Yes I am a newbie here (with a Tyros 5/76 about to arrive) but that does not mean that I cannot detect green cheese. (If you need to, Google it)

I try to avoid controversy but just a couple of these green cheese, or blatantly provocative, comments in this thread made me post this.

The market is split across the big three or so if we all had bought Yamaha Tyros product over the last three or four years then maybe Yamaha would have released all their eggs into the basket instead of only a few just to see what the competition would do.

I say enjoy what we choose or sell it and buy another but please stop trying to influence already satisfied folk

Ian

I may as well throw some comments in...

What I preferred on T4

Honky Tonk, EP Suitcase, Clavi, Clavi Funk, EP Galaxy, Flamenco Guitar, Steel Guitar, Big Band Jazz (sounded cleaner), Chapel Organ

These sounded cleaner and sharper to my ears.

Were difficult to choose between

Piano, Strings, Jazz Flute, Mute Trumpet, Pipe Organ

Apart from only a very slight variation of effects there wasn't a lot to choose between.

Notable differences/improvements

Chamber Strings, Guitar Elec Disto, Sax Section, Tap Dance Swing, Sheriff Reggae, Organ Gospel, Organ Flutes, Full Theatre (significantly better), Sweet Theatre (significantly better), Medium Theatre

These I heard clear differences & improvements.

Cool Wah guitar, Tenor Sax

Sounded like completely two different instruments so it wasn't really a fair comparison.

These are just my opinions based on the sound from the video.

[quote=Beemer]Well unless I am mistaken this video has been out for some time with little sign of the sarcastic comments in this thread from certain adherents of this group.

No arranger can be correctly assessed by listening to You Tube compressed audio except of course by those blind to all but their own opinion.

"My car is faster than yours because its red" springs to my mind.

Yes I am a newbie here (with a Tyros 5/76 about to arrive) but that does not mean that I cannot detect green cheese. (If you need to, Google it)

I try to avoid controversy but just a couple of these green cheese, or blatantly provocative, comments in this thread made me post this.

The market is split across the big three or so if we all had bought Yamaha Tyros product over the last three or four years then maybe Yamaha would have released all their eggs into the basket instead of only a few just to see what the competition would do.

I say enjoy what we choose or sell it and buy another but please stop trying to influence already satisfied folk

Ian





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Ian, you are totally off base..
First , this company does excellent demos..they are recorded at the same time period and use the same facility..They are uploaded at the same bitrate on youtube..So they are accurate..
Second, it was intended to be a comparison, and warrants opinions..Anyone with an open mind can understand the opinions mentioned..

Third,personally the Tyros4 was the first model I didn't dislike..I thought it was a major improvement over the Tyros3 (I owned a Tyros3 for a short time)..
Forth, the Tyros5 has some very nice effects and it can showcase better than the Tyros4..if set up properly...this video did not show well.
I failed to mention, the best sounds are still guitars...the worst are still the organs(they remind me of the poor organs on the Fantom)..

What I can see, and apparently shared by most..the opinions mentioned are on the money..

It stands to reason the AD/DA's are improved as are the effects on the T5, hence the differences between the T4/T5 albeit not significant.

I'd like to hear the sounds utilizing no effects or EQ side by side. I doubt they'll differ very much. Many keyboards rely heavily upon the internal FX and once you shut them off, the sound can be abysmal. The keyboards that can hold their own with no FX are relatively few.

I wonder if Yamaha is still utilizing mono samples, copying them, panning them in the stereo spectrum, and classifying them as stereo. They did this with many of their synths and arrangers and it always ticked me off. Not to mention it cuts polyphony in half.

I have listened to this video about 3 times, in HD, coming through a large decent sound system.

There are clear noticeable differences in each video in the sounds of the voices being compared.

To me it doesn't portray the T5 as "better"... just different.

Yamaha has used the same sound engine on the T4 and the T5. All that seems to have been changed is EQ'ing, and effects...

yes there are new voices on the T5 but alot of them are accessible by upgrading the T4 using the premium voice packs...

Heres an example:
http://www.yamahamusicsoft.com/en/category/Voices/product/1217427?currency=USD

Have a listen to this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PZNdBYfNIKI

and this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ShQ-3jDI0Vc#t=18

and its only $135.00 for the entire pack (I am not a secret sales rep working for Yamaha btw) lol

Nick

I'm totally with Beemer (Ian).
I guess none of you guys ever touched/heard/played the Tyros5.

Well I did/do since my T5 arrived today.
Perhaps Ensnareyou can eplain where AD-conversion takes place in the Tyros?
Perhaps Ensnareyou can explain why the T4 and T5 sound almost the same? (based on what?)

Sure Yamaha takes mono-samples, copy and panning ..... total nonsense.

I could not resist to post, I'm out of here.

Roel,Ian, it's only a comparison of two products from the same company...I would think , just to make one consider if it is practical to upgrade from a 4 to a 5....and opinions are necessary, to determine this...

Why do you guys get bent out of shape over nothing...no one said the Audya blows them out of the water!!

I'll wait for the Tyros8

The mere fact you're asking these questions tells me you know very little about the architecture of the internal workings of the sound engine used for the T4 and T5. In addition it also tells me you've probably never delved deep into the samples and programs that make up the internal programs. If you have, you'd understand why I wrote what I did.

As an FYI... utilizing mono samples allows companies to get away with less sound ROM. They then process the sound internally and with FX to make it appear to spread in the stereo spectrum. While it may be emitting and panning in stereo, it's not a true stereo sample.

Hi all,

After listening through all the videos I could find on the T5 last night I'll say this:

1. The DSP guitar voices are out of this world!
2. The Pop & Rock styles (my favourites) are really, really amazing!

Some nice Pop & rock demos here.

So yes, it's not all about a direct sound to sound comparison. It certainly has some advance features over the previous models.

Al the best my friends,

Henni