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#376231 - 11/24/13 12:57 AM
Re: The open arrangers
[Re: Diki]
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Senior Member
Registered: 03/02/06
Posts: 7143
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I said my piece about soft arrangers a long time ago, and nothing in the intervening years has changed my opinion.
We ALL play arrangers for one primary reason... convenience.
You can do the same thing or better with many different things, WS's, computers, keyboards and modules, etc.. But nothing comes even CLOSE to the instant gratification and ease of use of the modern hardware arranger. The soundsets are balanced, the styles are balanced, the effects are balanced, and it's all wrapped up in a shell that is easy to use and affordable.
Nothing could be further from this than the all software arranger. Yes, if you have the technical and musical skills, you CAN probably end up with something noticeably better sounding than a hardware arranger. But it's going to cost you a FORTUNE, and take up your every waking moment for months, probably years! It's going to involve multiple computers (it has already been alluded to that many of the best sounding soft synths and libraries have CPU requirements that can choke even the best modern CPU's) and a very technical command of programming.
Now, let's be REALISTIC... How many of us have the entire skill-set to pull all of this off? I would hesitate to say ANY of us, from what I have heard, so far. Sure, you get one of Wersi's top demonstrators, probably with considerable technical help from the factory, and he can pull of a demonstration of what you COULD do with one of these wünderkind behemoths with price tags that make the T5 sound like a cheap PSR!
Now, back to reality... How many of US could do that? Sure haven't heard a single USER demo of a Wersi sound remotely as impressive. In fact, most are quite excremental, poorly played and balanced, and certainly not a good representation of what you COULD do if you had $20,000 to drop. Or actually, maybe it IS... Let's face it, if buying a Wersi made you sound that good, the web and this forum would be bursting with demos that put our Roland's and Korg's and Yamaha's to shame.
But it isn't. They don't.
QED. I agree and disagree with you.. Yes we want convenience. No we dont want to be limmited in our possibilities.. So if the top layer of the user interface is very convenient and all you would ever need to play conveniently, what would be wrong with dozens of deep layers to give pros more controll.. I think thats exactly what Wersi is trying to do with their new OS.. convenience at top, and flexibility and expendabillity the deeper you go intoo the instrument.. But my grandpa would still be happy playing the top convenient top layer, while my son would be tweakeing and edditiing every single bit of his setup all on the same instrument. and sounding good or awesome is all a matter of player skills, if you are a true musician you cant sound less then stellar on the current generation of TOTL arrangers.
Edited by Bachus (11/24/13 12:59 AM)
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#376392 - 11/25/13 06:08 PM
Re: The open arrangers
[Re: Ensnareyou]
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Senior Member
Registered: 03/18/00
Posts: 1008
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My basic system consist of:
Windows 7. vArranger. Abeleton Live includes effects (replaces forte as host). Kontakt 5 Sampler for Main or Right Hand Sounds.
Auto Accompaniment Wavetables (GM, GS, XG, etc.):
Halion Sonic 1.6 Bandstand VI.One Colossus Soundfonts (SGM 2.01, Papelmedia 2006 and many more soundfonts) Live-Styler (Many GIGA & Soundfonts)
Main or Right Hand Voices:
Grritan (Personal Orchestra, Jazz & Big Band & Orch. Strings) VI.One Quantum Leap (Colossus & Brass) Kontakt 5, Experience & B4II VRSound (Alto & Tenor Sax & 3D Pipes - Organ) Bardstown (Piano, Banjo, Guitar, Accordion, Clarinet, etc.) Cool Vibes by Art Vista Scarbee Bass Whole Lotta Country by Larry Campbell And Others
Antares Harmony Engine EVO (Works well with Abeleton Live but not with Brainspawn's forte.).
i7 Intell Processor 8GB RAM 7200 rpm Hard Drives M-Audio 1010LT Soundcard
This system works well with my Roland A37 controller keyboard:
You can use the lowest octave for changing variations, fills, etc. Alternatively you can progam all the buttons on the PC keyboard to perform all the arranger controls you want.
There is no noticable delay in playing the notes or changing sounds for both the auto accompaniment (Wavetable is fully loaded or each wave is partially loaded) or the main (right hand voices which are loaded in Kontakt/Abeleton Live-switching channels changes voices, etc.). Now you may from time to time changes all your right hand voices to better suit what your playing say from jazz to country....keep in mind you can load many, many, many, many sounds since it only loads part of each wave within each sound.
I have covered the above in the Software Arranger Forum but I thought you may find this useful here as well.
Frank
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