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#377327 - 12/06/13 08:02 PM Re: So is the Tyros 5 all glamour? [Re: Dnj]
Ensnareyou Offline
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Originally Posted By: Dnj
Yamaha will sell hundreds of thousands T5 units no matter what. Same goes for T6 when it comes out in a couple of years.
Personally I'm looking forward to the next S series unit.


Quite the dreamer if you believe Yamaha will sell hundreds of thousands of Tyros 5's. The DX7 never sold that many units and it was Yamaha's most successful keyboard instrument ever and cost less than half what a T5 does. Even the Korg M1, the largest selling keyboard/ workstation ever, sold roughly 250,000 units. Again it cost less than half that of a T5.

The T5 at a retail of over $5 grand automatically limits it sales possibility to a low number of customers. The fact it's an arranger keyboard then takes that number and cuts it in third at best and that's being generous. High dollar instruments be it workstation, arranger, or otherwise simply don't sell well and have a finite market place.

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#377330 - 12/06/13 09:52 PM Re: So is the Tyros 5 all glamour? [Re: Bachus]
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I told Donny a MILLION times not to exaggerate.
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#377340 - 12/07/13 01:20 AM Re: So is the Tyros 5 all glamour? [Re: Ensnareyou]
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Originally Posted By: Ensnareyou
Originally Posted By: Dnj
Yamaha will sell hundreds of thousands T5 units no matter what. Same goes for T6 when it comes out in a couple of years.
Personally I'm looking forward to the next S series unit.


Quite the dreamer if you believe Yamaha will sell hundreds of thousands of Tyros 5's. The DX7 never sold that many units and it was Yamaha's most successful keyboard instrument ever and cost less than half what a T5 does. Even the Korg M1, the largest selling keyboard/ workstation ever, sold roughly 250,000 units. Again it cost less than half that of a T5.

The T5 at a retail of over $5 grand automatically limits it sales possibility to a low number of customers. The fact it's an arranger keyboard then takes that number and cuts it in third at best and that's being generous. High dollar instruments be it workstation, arranger, or otherwise simply don't sell well and have a finite market place.


I dont think we got any idea how many they sell...

The only one i know was the Korg Oasys, they tracked serial numbers (which started with 000001) on the korg forums and i think they sold about like 3000 of them.. They however are very very rare.


I would like to know how many of these tyros instruments yamaha ever sold.
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#377341 - 12/07/13 02:17 AM Re: So is the Tyros 5 all glamour? [Re: Bachus]
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There was a rumor being bandied about, that the Tyros4 allegedly sold in numbers greater than Tyros, Tyros2 and Tyros3...combined!

It sure seemed as though there were a lot of the original Tyros sold, and, again allegedly, the Tyros2 and Tyros3 both outsold it, and each other respectively, so it would be a good guess to say the number is probably quite high.

I also think it would be safe to say that arranger sales for all major brands have seen increases directly proportional to the growth of Internet users.

I do know I was very busy, especially the last several years, and even though I'm retired since April this year, I still get quite a few emails and phone calls regarding Yamaha arrangers.

Ian
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#377347 - 12/07/13 03:38 AM Re: So is the Tyros 5 all glamour? [Re: Bachus]
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Talking to dealers over in the UK for a number of years, the original Tyros was apparently outsold by the Technics KN7000 by 2 – 1.

Tyros 2 was ground breaking on its ease of use with articulation sounds, (Multi articulation had been out for years in the pro world but was always manually switched) and sold by the shed loads, with other manufactures just shaking their heads in disbelief.

Tyros 3 was a disaster sales wise (It was the only Tyros that flooded eBay shortly after its launch as users tried to get back their previous boards) as while it added SA2 sounds the OOTB experience was significantly inferior to the Tyros 2 it replaced, plus it also suffered from lack of processing power causing the Styles to stutter when using fistfuls of chords with large voices, (Only Yamaha diehards defended it) and is probably the reason it was replaced after 2 years rather than 3.

Tyros 4 just repeated Tyros 2 (And was really the true replacement for the Tyros 2) in that it left other manufactures trailing once more.

Tyros 5 is unknown at present, (Although pre-orders are large as with any new Tyros launch) but we will have to wait and see how it does. (Personally I think the ensemble voices let it down as while they sound great in professional demonstrators hands, they sound awful when played by normal home players, (Unlike SA voices) however I’m impressed with the new effects section which really brings it alive compared to previous models) S950 users say the S950 has the same, but to be quite honest I find the S910 to sound way better than the S950)

Bill
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#377352 - 12/07/13 05:44 AM Re: So is the Tyros 5 all glamour? [Re: Bachus]
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I just got an email confirming the Tyros4 selling more than Tyros, Tyros2, Tyros3 combined.

I feel the Tyros4 was what Tyros3 should have been. I passed on the Tyros3, although I have a friend who lives on the mainland that has the Tyros3 and loves it. I found the Tyros4 to have the edge as far as a "sweetness" (it's the only word that fits) in the sound, which I could not get on the Tyros3 no matter how it was EQ'd. Actually, the Tyros2 had much of that "sweetness", but for some reason it didn't make it to T3, although the latter still allegedly outsold it.

Some claim the Technics KN-7000 was the best arranger ever made, and who are we to refute those assertions? wink I never played a KN-7000, but I did play a KN-6000 and it was pretty nice, especially the styles, so I imagine the former was a real treat.

PSR Tutorial has quite a few Technics styles converted to work on Yamaha instruments. http://psrtutorial.com/sty/keyboards/technics.html

I'm curious to learn how the 76-note Tyros5 will fare in sales to the 61-note version.

Ian



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#377353 - 12/07/13 06:18 AM Re: So is the Tyros 5 all glamour? [Re: abacus]
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Originally Posted By: abacus

Tyros 3 was a disaster sales wise (It was the only Tyros that looded eBay shortly after its launch as users tried to get back their previous boards) as while it added SA2 sounds the OOTB experience was significantly inferior to the Tyros 2 it replaced, plus it also suffered from lack of processing power causing the Styles to stutter when using fistfuls of chords with large voices, (Only Yamaha diehards defended it) and is probably the reason it was replaced after 2 years rather than 3.

Bill


If this is true then it's one more reason not to rush and buy the latest keyboard, just released. Better wait six or more months and let others do all the beta testing...or not?
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#377356 - 12/07/13 07:21 AM Re: So is the Tyros 5 all glamour? [Re: Bachus]
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Dreamer, I have not read anything on the forums, nor have I ever been contacted by Tyros3 owners concerning any problem with "styles stuttering" on the Tyros3.

I'm not saying that it never happens or happened, but, perhaps Bill could please point out where he got the info and confirm this issue?

I did, however, find the Tyros3 had a less sparkly sound...it was duller than Tyros2 and Tyros4, but some people seemed to prefer it.

I do agree on not rushing out to buy ANY latest keyboard, although nowadays upgrades can be done relatively easy compared to years ago.

Ian
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#377362 - 12/07/13 09:42 AM Re: So is the Tyros 5 all glamour? [Re: Bachus]
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Registered: 01/27/08
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Ian,
there is a lady on Steve Selwood's forum in the UK who is extremely adept with the Tyros keyboards. She posted today her Tyros 4 registrations are picking up the Tyros 4 voices in the legacy folder and play just great but will have to be revoiced to use the Tyros 5 voices. Rather interesting I think.


Deane

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#377364 - 12/07/13 09:51 AM Re: So is the Tyros 5 all glamour? [Re: Bachus]
ianmcnll Offline
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Thanks Deane...I think I know of whom you speak...she has always been a great help to me and many others.

I'll have a peek.

Ian
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