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#379743 - 12/29/13 05:18 AM Re: Let's talk about monitors... [Re: Dreamer]
Graham UK Offline
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Dreamer. Sorry not had experience of Adam A7X and it's all subjective between a different pair of ears.
Working in the sound field can sometimes be a disadvantage because I have become very critical of what I listen too which makes it difficult to get satisfied.

I'm a lover of headphones and although have a pair pro Sennheisers we happen to purchase a wireless set from a UK store LIDL £20 because the wifes hearing is limited...but surprise to find the excellent clean mid's and a very tight low bass, these to my ears out perform my Sennheisers.

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#379751 - 12/29/13 07:42 AM Re: Let's talk about monitors... [Re: Dreamer]
Saswick Offline
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Originally Posted By: Dreamer
Come on, Col, spill the beans! (...or whatever you say in Lancashire) smile



Hi Andrea

The VRM Box works for me but I'm really not in the position to guarantee the accuracy of the simulations but there are relatively small differences in the TOTL speakers and marked differences in the budget ones, the LCD TV for instance sounds horrible. I always mix my songs using the VRM box I then tend two play the Mp3 files through my nEar4 monitors and also my PA system which is a pair of Behringer B212d active speakers.

The question of monitors is really very much a matter of personal taste, music to one pair of ears etc

I purchased my VRM box and my KRK headphones as a bundle for £129.00 but the box can be bought for approx. £50.00 on eBay.
It's probably worth a try even if you don't find it useful you could recover the cost without losing to much. BTW one of the simulations is for a set of Adam S2.5A Monitors.

If it would help I could record a file and send the output from the PC through VRM box to my Zoom and record the results with different monitor simulations so you could hear some of the differences.

Just listened to a couple of yours on CSS Songs I could try the box out on one of those if you wish.

Regards

Col

PS I've often wondered what my recordings sound like to other members on different audio equipment, could be interesting to pose the question though I fear you would obtain lots of conflicting opinions.


Edited by Saswick (12/29/13 08:00 AM)

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#379755 - 12/29/13 08:12 AM Re: Let's talk about monitors... [Re: Dreamer]
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Nothing will be better than "high" end monitors.

BTW: Andrea, I think your initial selection is fine..Adams would be my choice of the group, but not backed by personal use..

For the poor folks...I have a formula (We all are not rich like Chas)....If you have a 3 way sound system (two units)(probally has to be more than a decade old)....try setting it up with a stereo 31 band eq..

Play 2 or 3 of your favorite (great mixed by professionals) cd's..
Listen in detail adjusting with the 31 band eq (moderately)..each frequencie...when you have a decent balanced sound for the 2or 3 cd's....That is the proper acoustic balance for your room..

Try it..it works...of course you need to have the ability to hear...so it won't help guys like Gary smile

If you don't have an old 3 way sound system...call Russ..he has everything grin
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#379758 - 12/29/13 08:20 AM Re: Let's talk about monitors... [Re: Dreamer]
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#379771 - 12/29/13 10:30 AM Re: Let's talk about monitors... [Re: Saswick]
Dreamer Offline
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Registered: 02/23/01
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Loc: Rome - Italy
Originally Posted By: Saswick

Just listened to a couple of yours on CSS Songs I could try the box out on one of those if you wish.

Regards

Col


Col,

yes, that would be fantastic!
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#379772 - 12/29/13 10:32 AM Re: Let's talk about monitors... [Re: Fran Carango]
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Originally Posted By: Fran Carango
Nothing will be better than "high" end monitors.

BTW: Andrea, I think your initial selection is fine..Adams would be my choice of the group, but not backed by personal use..


Fran,

thank you for your opinion; I am indeed more and more tempted by the Adam.
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#379773 - 12/29/13 10:36 AM Re: Let's talk about monitors... [Re: Dnj]
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Originally Posted By: Dnj


Behringer makes also two bigger brothers, the B3030A and the B3031A, both with a ribbon tweeter:



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#379774 - 12/29/13 10:39 AM Re: Let's talk about monitors... [Re: Dreamer]
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Originally Posted By: Dreamer
Originally Posted By: Saswick

Just listened to a couple of yours on CSS Songs I could try the box out on one of those if you wish.

Regards

Col


Col,

yes, that would be fantastic!


P.S: Colin, could you try one of the songs done on the SD1?
They have more dynamics and so would outline better the differences among the different presets of the VRM.

http://www.csssongs.com/index.php/component/muscol/D/12-dreamer/32-guajira?Itemid=101
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#379800 - 12/29/13 12:25 PM Re: Let's talk about monitors... [Re: Dreamer]
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You won't ever see a pro mixing or mastering on a pair of headphones. The ear simply doesn't hear things in isolation, and artificial techniques to emulate different speakers is simple marketing hype. This is right up there with mike simulation software... you remember, the promise that you can make one mike sound like a much better one by using software. Hype.

You use headphones to check detail, especially if you can't get absolute silence in your listening environment. You might get a pro to say he mixes on them, but trust me... he's doing it for money (or free gear!). When in the studio, those nearfields and midfields are what he's listening to 99% of the time.
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#379807 - 12/29/13 12:51 PM Re: Let's talk about monitors... [Re: Dreamer]
Saswick Offline
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Loc: Garstang, Preston, Lancashire,...
Hi Andrea

https://app.box.com/s/6jvs9dhic68vv6f6gsr9

Two songs

The sequence is

1. No VRM
2. Japanese White
3. Adam s2.5
4. KRK06
5. No VRM
6. Budget Micro
7. LCD flat screen
8. KRK8
9. No VRM

Not very scientific but it may give you an idea.

Col



Edited by Saswick (12/29/13 12:57 PM)

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