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#380459 - 01/03/14 12:17 PM Re: Buying freeze. It's time. [Re: Uncle Dave]
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The Audya is dropping in price less that £3000 at Thoman Germany, I think in the UK it once went up to £4300, and Tyros 5 is a better deal too at Thoman £3125...
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#380466 - 01/03/14 12:54 PM Re: Buying freeze. It's time. [Re: Uncle Dave]
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Lightness and piano action are worlds apart. A solid, tight keyset is used by all the manufacturers on their HIGH end stuff, so why don't they think it's important for all players ... Hmmmm?
Piano action has nothing to do with synth action, and a good synth action has nothing in common with ANY PSR product ever made. (with the exception of he 9000Pro, but I'm not 100% sure if it was or was not part of the PSR family - it's not printed on the KB as such)

I hardly ever play acoustic pianos, but even in my Rhodes days .... the heavier action was part of the expressiveness. Today's PSR action is lacking in that area - sure, the sound engine sounds great, and all the bells and whistles are made to perform well .... it's just the touch that drives me nuts. No solid landing at the end of the key stroke - no firm feel under my fingers - skinny keys .... too many things to cite. Fact remains - aw ... who am I kidding ... there are no facts here - just opinions. Mine is that Yamaha is cheating it's MOTR buyers big time. Until they make a keyboard that feels as good as their high end stuff (and HAS speakers) - I will not be using their product.
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#380473 - 01/03/14 02:07 PM Re: Buying freeze. It's time. [Re: Uncle Dave]
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Originally Posted By: Uncle Dave
Lightness and piano action are worlds apart. A solid, tight keyset is used by all the manufacturers on their HIGH end stuff, so why don't they think it's important for all players ... Hmmmm?
Piano action has nothing to do with synth action, and a good synth action has nothing in common with ANY PSR product ever made. (with the exception of he 9000Pro, but I'm not 100% sure if it was or was not part of the PSR family - it's not printed on the KB as such)

I hardly ever play acoustic pianos, but even in my Rhodes days .... the heavier action was part of the expressiveness. Today's PSR action is lacking in that area - sure, the sound engine sounds great, and all the bells and whistles are made to perform well .... it's just the touch that drives me nuts. No solid landing at the end of the key stroke - no firm feel under my fingers - skinny keys .... too many things to cite. Fact remains - aw ... who am I kidding ... there are no facts here - just opinions. Mine is that Yamaha is cheating it's MOTR buyers big time. Until they make a keyboard that feels as good as their high end stuff (and HAS speakers) - I will not be using their product.


one players love is another players dislike...
we all play differently, example I dont like pedals ..
some others do...so what? I dont like BOSe systems , some love em, so what?.......At the end of the day it bought closing your eyes and HEARING what it sounds like no matter what instrument & gear you use to achieve that. There are NO Rules in music. cool2

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#380474 - 01/03/14 02:18 PM Re: Buying freeze. It's time. [Re: Uncle Dave]
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well, the audience cares about the "sound" (as do I), but only the player is affected by the "feel" ... and in some cases - it's a big effect.
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#380476 - 01/03/14 02:58 PM Re: Buying freeze. It's time. [Re: Uncle Dave]
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Oh baby I love the S-950 "Accordion FEEL key-bed"......
lightning fast with no finger fatigue ever also.

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#380477 - 01/03/14 02:59 PM Re: Buying freeze. It's time. [Re: Uncle Dave]
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great example - accordions had NO slop!
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#380482 - 01/03/14 03:39 PM Re: Buying freeze. It's time. [Re: Uncle Dave]
Dnj Offline
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Originally Posted By: Uncle Dave
great example - accordions had NO slop!


but the slop is the best part ... cool2

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#380490 - 01/03/14 04:38 PM Re: Buying freeze. It's time. [Re: Uncle Dave]
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gross.
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#380546 - 01/04/14 12:46 PM Re: Buying freeze. It's time. [Re: Uncle Dave]
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The funniest thing is, the SAME manufacturer is putting quite decent actions on WS's that cost FAR less than an S950. So, apparently, only Yamaha arranger playing 'pros' like slop... Even Yamaha WS 'amateurs' know a crap action when they play one, but arranger 'pros' don't recognize it.

None so blind as those that don't WANT to admit they see...!
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#380550 - 01/04/14 01:17 PM Re: Buying freeze. It's time. [Re: Uncle Dave]
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Define slop and crap.

Gary cool
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