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#381682 - 01/17/14 10:51 AM
Re: Yamaha Audio in Styles
[Re: DannyUK]
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The Korg PA3x has the ideal solution to the issue, IMO.
It's best drum KITS have ambiance sampled into the sound, BUT there's a control for how much... So you can go all the way from that 70's bone dry sound to the 40's and 50's 'everybody in the one room' type sound (listen to any Spector, too!). Roland's drums all have a BIT of ambiance sampled in, but you can't increase or decrease it. Admittedly, to my ears they get it right, but Korg allows you to increase or decrease it when it isn't quite right.
Those Yamaha loops sound so drenched, sort of 'look what WE did!' shoving it in your face, but the truth is, outside of a recording, where you could put a big room around all the OTHER Parts, for most live players, it's too much. Either the arranger needs a MUCH better room reverb processor, something that could put the same ambiance round the MIDI Parts that is sampled into the loops, or the loops need taming to where they match the ambiance the arranger IS capable of matching...
The latter is the easier, less expensive solution.
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#381768 - 01/18/14 06:54 AM
Re: Yamaha Audio in Styles
[Re: DannyUK]
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Tony, the 900 swing styles are a tad busy for my taste, but I thinned them out, or got used to them. I forget the name of my "go-to" jazz beat, but it's fine ... not as smooth as I'd like. I need a simple, elegant background so I can do whatever I want with the chords in my right hand. Unlike many players ... I primarily create the bulk of the arrangement with my right hand, and play very few melodies. (My voice does that) The interaction of the bass and the chords creates the groove factor for me, so I want the drums to just be a timekeeper. Again ... like RIngo. ![smile smile](/forum/images/graemlins/default_dark/smile.gif) And to answer a question a ways back ... not sure if Ringo can swing, but I'd like to hear him try because he has a reputation of playing exactly what's needed. In my heart, I think he can do it. Listen to some of the things he played ... not your typical beat-maker at all. Try to play "in my life" note for note as he does ... it's very complex, but you don't realize it because it's woven so perfectly within the arrangement. I like a simple ride cymbal, steady back-beat on the hats, almost no bass drum and minimal accents on the snare. I can play almost any tune with that kind of backing and make it fresh each time, with the elements that I add.
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#381774 - 01/18/14 08:24 AM
Re: Yamaha Audio in Styles
[Re: DannyUK]
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One of the things I really liked about the S950's audio swing style was that is was very clean, polished, uncluttered and like Dave, I rely on my vocals for my melodies. If I lost my singing ability tomorrow morning, tomorrow evening all my gear would be on Ebay. Gary ![cool cool](/forum/images/graemlins/default_dark/cool.gif)
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