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#381312 - 01/13/14 09:04 AM
Re: Audio styles - your impressions...
[Re: Diki]
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Registered: 03/02/06
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I think audio styles are great for Latin styles. There are many subtleties especially within the percussion section that midi still can't reproduce.
I disagree. http://www.fxpansion.com/index.php?page=42&tab=127http://www.toontrack.com/products.asp?item=10That's the tip of the iceberg. MIDI percussion can sound amazing. Now, obviously, no-one expects 28GB of percussion samples. But that (the BFD collection) is an exhaustive collection of almost everything you could ever think of. A basic Percussion kit for a MIDI arranger would be a teeny, tiny fraction of that figure. Somehow, arrangers seem to find the sample room to put in amazingly detailed piano, Rhodes, guitars, sax's, all of which chew up sample RAM, but drum and percussion kits still get the short end of the (drum)stick! You don't need audio loops to sound unbelievably realistic any more. In fact, for many years, TBH. Add another 256MB of ROM to the roughly 1GB or so that they already have, and you would have a percussion kit that would fool anyone. And, of course, just like better drum kits, they would be able to be used on ALL your legacy styles, not just the tiny few that come with the machine. 10% of your styles (far fewer, if we are simply talking Latin styles) doesn't really START to fulfill the need. KITS, not loops. That is the answer. I disagree Diki... you can have a 500Gb SSd that is high speed for $300... which is perfect for direct streaming from disk of every single sound played... (just like some instruments in the Kronos do) There is no reason not to have atleast 200Gb of samples in your modern day instruments... and having 200GB of free room for user samples.. First one that goes this route is a winner... oh... and if you want that real live feeling from your drumset.... ask a friend to play it for you on their midi drums... There is absolutely no reason that a good drumsound needs to be auio based, i totally agree with you On top of all of this, Yamaha does not have audio styles, they only have audio drum tracks, a feature availble on Wersi for over ten years now.. Ketron is still the only brand with real audio styles, as they also have basstracks and guitartracks and more available in audio..
Edited by Bachus (01/13/14 09:07 AM)
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#381320 - 01/13/14 11:52 AM
Re: Audio styles - your impressions...
[Re: montunoman]
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Registered: 07/21/05
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Loc: English Riviera, UK
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[quote=Dikioh... There is absolutely no reason that a good drumsound needs to be auio based, i totally agree with you
It's not just sound, it's really more about feel. I still don't think midi can replicate the human feel. Actually if you think about it logically then there is more chance of a Midi drum track having feeling than an audio drum track, this is because a real drummer never plays exactly the same twice, (Slight variation on where the stick hits the head for example) and using Drum samples you can have multiple hit samples that vary in real time rather than being locked to the Midi drum track, (This is the reason all the Drum VST are so realistic sounding) a drum audio loop on the other hand will play exactly the same time after time with no variation, and thus after a time it sounds unnatural. (If you have plenty of storage then you can have multiple loops that play randomly like drum samples which solves the problem, but currently there is no hardware arranger that has the capacity to achieve this without glitches) Bill
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#381325 - 01/13/14 01:15 PM
Re: Audio styles - your impressions...
[Re: abacus]
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Registered: 02/23/01
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Loc: Rome - Italy
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Actually if you think about it logically then there is more chance of a Midi drum track having feeling than an audio drum track, this is because a real drummer never plays exactly the same twice
Bill
The solution is simple: just make the loops longer. Some Audya styles have loops that last even 32 bars. If you consider that an average midi style lasts 4 bars and 8 bars are already considered an exception, you will see how, after 32 bars recorded live, nobody really notices if a drummer is repeating himself, also because at that point you will probably already have changed variation (and introduced another 32 -different- bars), and by the time you go through all the four variations you will likely have reached the end of the song.
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