Can anyone out there help.
Problem : Saving a Style back to "my" Preformance List after editing with Makeup Tools.

I'll try to keep it simple:
-Choose a Style from internal BK9 onboard Styles
-Edit it with Prefomance Edits
-Hit SAVE it goes to a preformance list. BK9 will make a new one for you if you haven't chosen a previous one ( I renamed the list ) All good so far
-Choose the Style again from the list and Edit it with Makeup Tools
-Hit Quick Menu and Save
*** PROBLEM: all that the right screen shows is the upper level Folders. SONGS PREFORMANCES, Etc. If I hit Write it here is doesn't save the edits to the Style on my Preformance list. How to I get the Makeup Tools version saved on my Preformance List , not in my Preformance Folder ????
I've tried every combination of Saving I can think of and Roland Support has not gotten back to me yet. If you can help I'd REALLY appreciate it.


Thanks in advance.
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Bill from NJ

Bill,
I sold my BK-9 but I had similar problems trying to save changes. I was told to use the style creater to do the saving and this did work for me. Wish I could help more.

Deane

I can't remember how it was done on BK7m and don't have BK9 YET, but ask Diki, he can tell you.
www.roland-arranger.com

Thanks Don. All in all the BK9 is a winner and I'm sure its something easy thats being overlooked. Good luck on your BK9, I think you'll love it.
Deane, sorry you let yours go but you have others to work with.

I sent Diki a PM also. I'm trying to cover all the bases. I spent hours over a few days editing all my Styles, about 60 of them. When I went to check immediatly after editing they were OK. Its when you load another Style and then go back to the other that you find the Edits didn't Save. All that time !!! Arrrrgggg !!!

The manuel is vague at best about this. Again I'll say, put a camera up above the keyboard and let an expert go thru all the functions. Give the DVD away with the keyboard. It really couldn't cost that much to do.

Bill, you have to save the style as a user rhythm..first..Then save the performance using the user rhythm..

Bill, you have to save the style as a user rhythm..first..Then save the performance using the user rhythm..[/quote]


Huh ???? Damn I feel stupid !! How do I do that ???
Wish you had a BK9 , and you SHOULD__ LOL !!! so you could give me the exact keystrokes. The manuel says use the wheel to choose where you want the Style to go. All I get is the upper level folders.
Just heard from Roland. They said to attach one of my Styles so they could try it.

Yep... that's the step everyone forgets about. If you edit the style with Makeup Tools, you then have to save it to the My Rhythms folder. You THEN have to go to the Performance and load the new, USER style from the USB stick. Then you save the Performance.

TBH, there aren't many arrangers that allow you to edit the ROM style and save it back to the SAME slot in the ROM styles area. I think some of the better Korg's do this, but most everything, if you edit the style, you have to save it as a user style.

I think the problem for many on the Roland comes from losing track of which mode they are in when they decide to do a 'save'. ONLY from the Makeup Tools (or the Style Creator on the BK-9) will you save a style to the My Rhythms folder. If you have backed out of the Makeup Tools to do something with the Performance, if you hit the Save button there, it saves the Performance, NOT the Style. Pretty logical, if you think about it, but it catches many out, apparently.

Thanks, stay tuned. I have to run and errand now but as soon as I get back its out to the garage studio and try to figure this out. The Manuel is very incomplete on this. I can't be the only one having this problem or else most users never edit in depth using the Makeup Tools

Just remember to do a save WHILE IN MAKEUP TOOL MODE...

I'd also edit the name of the style you save, so that you don't get confused about what has been edited and what is stock. This will also make it apparent to you if you load the Performance, and the original style is still Linked to...

Diki, Fran

Thanks !!! Using your guidelines I "think" I've got it. Tried it a few times and I think I'm good. The trick is when you go back to your Proformance list DO NOT press the data wheel. Leave the name of the list highlighted and press Write.

You guys should do the DVD thing I mentioned. I bet with Worldwide sales you would do OK.
I once paid a good sum for a Piano Tuning tutorial on VHS. Super bad video but second best if you can't find someone to teach you in person.

Thanks again

No ROLAND should make it and include it with the KB...
as should ALL manufacturers IMO.

Yea thats what I sadi in my other post but if Roland doesn't do it maybe they can cash in.

Ever see the pianoor organ tutorials on Youtube? Great stuff ! Licks you could never figure out laid out for you. Just put the camera up above go. Prepare a decent script beforehand, maybe one that mimics the manuel and I think it would work. IMHO

sometimes I fell they dont want you to learn the unit so you dont keep it and wont by a new one? after-all its all about $$$

Korg had an 8-part video tutorial on their site for the Pa3X by one of their demonstrators, Steve McNally - you can find it still on You Tube. Fairly basic stuff, but it'll get you started in the right direction.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FNMVHdV7HHs

they need basic & ADVANCED versions included in teh box when you get the unit.....or have the video play on the KB display internally

Donny ... didn't your Pa600 come with a tutorial DVD ? ... but you are right, there needs to be ADVANCED info as well ...

NO but I watched the tutorial online for basics.....but many SZ members around the world helped me with things I needed info about to get started for MY needs..

... actually, I got a LOT of help from some guy in southern New Jersey - OH WAIT !!!

Seriously, I got, and am still getting, a lot of help from several S-Z KORG players - you, DonM, Dave, Col, Graham, Tim, and others ...

Or you could just READ the manual carefully, and TRY STUFF OUT!

I think that's the step many are scared of... Back up your data properly, what have you got to be worried about? I learn more from being wrong 10 times than I do from being right once! Press buttons, move knobs and sliders, see what happens!

I am not sure why so many have had big problems understanding the BK series. I've got no-one on speed dial at Roland holding my hand... I just dive in, use the index in the manual as much as possible, try to concentrate on one thing at a time, and keep a good track of what I have done, so the result of it gets linked mentally to what I did.

Thing is, nowadays, people use arrangers in such utterly different ways, from MP3 playback machines to power users that want full knowledge of every single feature, it is hard to imagine a DVD that could cover it all, certainly not something a manufacturer can afford to put out for free. Then factor in updates, that often change some basic things, and what does the poor manufacturer have to do? Do it all over again?

Sorry, but my TV, my receiver, my cable modem, my sound system, my microwave and my sonic toothbrush came without instructional DVD's..! Somehow, I figured it out. You want spoon-fed, you gotta pay for it!

..I.

Trouble is maybe you didnt know this diki, ....but there are some really great people out there with much more experience then you that are willing to help a fellow musician,....manuals mostly suck IMO. And I always appreciate there help when needed,...I also give what I can to anyone who asks

Maybe you haven't noticed, Donny, but I'm one of those people helping out others, over at Roland-Arranger.com, and often here, too.

Manuals don't suck. They are how I learned, along with a willingness to just TRY stuff and see what happens! What sucks is many people's stick-to-it-ness, and patience and focus...

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Diki

Did that. Used a test Thumbdrive and tried every combination I could think of. Notated them all along the way . If you read the manuel on Saving Makeup Tool Edits its very vague. Thats why I didn't get the step of NOT choosing my Performance list, just highlighting it.
I was a Technology Teacher in a Middle School, and maybe I should be embarrassed by the fact that the BK9 threw me a loop but I'm not.
I noticed with kids that they don't have the attention spans to read detailed manuels. The younger they are the worse. They want to SEE and DO -very quickly, right Dave ! ( He teaches also ) Talk too long to explain something and they're glassy eyed. I'm like them, read that manuel a number of times and didn't get it. I tried and tried. Had they just listed the keystrokes it would of been a lot easier. Spoonfeed me and let me digest the information.
All I was suggesting was a DVD of the "basic" functions of the manuel done live, in conjuntion with using the manuel to refer to- for EX: all the edits you could do in Makeup Tools. Do just one live and let the manuel esplain the rest. I would of gotten that missing step if I saw someone do it once.
AND I'm willing to pay for it. Paid for the subpar VHS on piano tuning and still had to figure a lot out on my own.
My suggestion was to cash in on your expertise. Damn, you like money don't you ??? Knowledge is power--and money !! Just a side project like teaching private lessons, but using todays technology.
Again I thank you and Fran for your input. At first it didn't make sense but through a few trials I got it and today spent a few hours redoing the edits I lost.
Love the BK9

I'm sorry, but nowadays, you make one DVD, CD, whatever and sell it, the next minute it's up on Pirate Bay or something like it, and there goes the money..!

It has turned into Ali Baba and the 40 Thieves out there when it comes to copyable content. If Roland want to contact me and pay ME for something, fine (though I imagine they have people far more qualified!), but my days of trying to sell something by myself are long gone!