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#383450 - 02/01/14 01:50 PM Re: Sometimes..vocals can ruin a great song [Re: Fran Carango]
Diki Online   content


Registered: 04/25/05
Posts: 14243
Loc: NW Florida
No you couldn't!

Those guys sounded great no matter WHO they recorded with. Never heard such BS before, LOL
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#383458 - 02/01/14 02:23 PM Re: Sometimes..vocals can ruin a great song [Re: Diki]
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Registered: 01/02/04
Posts: 7303
Loc: Lexington, Ky, USA
Joe Williams did a great job on Vermont, but, hey, that's JOE WILLIAMS!

I agree, Fran, that some tunes are better as instrumentals.

As far as expression, just listen to Gato Barberi's version of Europa.

It doesn't get any more expressive than that.

As far as arrangements go, Fran is right about planning and arranging changes using inversions and some other neat "tricks".

You can't do that if you're arranging for the final product to be a vocal over a track, especially if the vocalist is going to vary the style, do retards, etc. That arrangement would need to be "straight ahead".

My favorite way to do "Vermont" is on a nylon string guitar...no band, just those beautiful changes.


Nice thoughtful topic Fran. And U/D, you're right. The tenor was a little sharp on the first line.

Wonderful tune!


Russ


Edited by captain Russ (02/01/14 02:25 PM)

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#383467 - 02/01/14 03:43 PM Re: Sometimes..vocals can ruin a great song [Re: Fran Carango]
tony mads usa Offline
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Registered: 01/16/02
Posts: 14376
Loc: East Greenwich RI USA
Originally Posted By: Fran Carango
The lyrics are terrible...it is not romantic...only nostalgic..No matter who sings it,,


...does every ballad have to be 'romantic ?!? ... just askin' ...

... and how about that organ 'voice' grin ... just sayin' ...



Edited by tony mads usa (02/01/14 03:44 PM)
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#383468 - 02/01/14 03:44 PM Re: Sometimes..vocals can ruin a great song [Re: Fran Carango]
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Registered: 01/14/02
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Loc: Buffalo, NY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TuvIbpd5PAg

Pete Barbuti Moonlight in Vermont.

I saw this guy the first time in California around 1979, at an AF of M convention. He was hilarious.

JerryGHR

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#383506 - 02/02/14 06:21 AM Re: Sometimes..vocals can ruin a great song [Re: Fran Carango]
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#383518 - 02/02/14 09:22 AM Re: Sometimes..vocals can ruin a great song [Re: Dnj]
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Registered: 05/23/13
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I never knew he endorsed Nord?
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