April Fools Donny LOL

YEP

Actually I have a intrest in the L 1 But I do not want to run in mono so I would need 2 for effect if they had a unit that runs in sterio i would look at it but mono does not work for me .

My first thought was "he's GOT to be kidding!" ... and he was ... but I missed seeing the justification after all these years and all the comments ...

I just purchased a Bose L1 Compact. (No joke!) The sound is so good I don't worry about stereo.
You have to be positioned in "the sweet spot" to hear stereo. With Bose the sound is distributed nicely throughout the room.

God Bless,
Don

Don ... best of luck with it ... I've had use of the 'full size' BOSE (I don't own one) on occasion when I fill in for a friend at his steady gig ... the sound is great and the way it fills the room at the same level I hear behind me is amazing ...

Exactly my thoughts.

Using a great Stereo instrument like a Tyros, S950, Pa3x,Audya, Bk9, etc, and then condensing it's stereo sound spread in which it was created for into mono is defeating the purpose altogether & you are losing alot sound wise. There is a BIG Difference in sound & if you don't hear it, I wont say anymore on this subject.

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Damn I was half hoping you were serious so I could get a deal on your used DXR's

Thanks for the laugh

No way Bill!!...Both sets of DXR's are the best speakers I ever used on stage ...sorry buddy!

I knew you was fool in' the second I seed it. But I did get a chance to hear the HK Nano 300 and was mightily impressed. It was at an outside fair and the sound was clear and powerful. I feel it is a great alternative to the Bose Compact. Two different approaches to great portable sound. No dissing tour choice of amplification, Donny, just making a comment without having to start a new thread.

BTW everyone, I will be selling my like new, in the box, with a custom cover BA-330. I never use it and would prefer to see it go to someone who would. I haven't decided on a price yet, so if you're interested, send me an offer.

Cass give Fran a call he misses his...

Donny, you made my day! I needed a good laugh. As long as you don't give up your 950.

Joe

The irony is that I would not have been surprised in the least by a return to Bose. You were highly enthusiastic about it when you had one, and partially responsible for my getting one. Thanks for that!

You welcome Joe,....
The S950 will go down as one of the all time classic arrangers of all time.... a true workhorse on stage like it's predecessor the 3k which I also loved...abeit a few workaround I can live with, but none the less a super KB!

As far as the Bose L1 & Compact, HK nano, Ba300, all I will say is,,,, I've been there ....done that......just not for me .


Carry On

HK has the nano 600 now, and Fender is selling the LD systems made Maui 11 as the Fender Expo. I love the pair of maui's I use and believe they outperform the Bose compact and the 28's the same for the L1's. I'm not one to pay for the name just because.....................

Bose did the early research and ground-breaking development. Now others are exploring similar technologies. Good for us!

But you do realize what YOU hear on stage and what your audience hears aren't necessarily the same thing don't you? I am guessing you have never been able to go to the back of the room while you are performing to hear how much stereo separation you are actually getting back there. I am not criticizing your desire for stereo imaging but just suggesting there is no way you can realistically judge the effect further back in the room. Though I guess making a stereo recording further back in the room would give you a good indication.

Nigel I'll agree to disagree on this subject of Stereo vs Mono....
it's like PC vs Mac,.....there's never a definitive answer.

Sure there is, MAC's are better !!! LOL !!!!

Well, it's not so much of a separation thing, but, especially with Yamaha, many of the voices were created to be played in stereo and they do not sound the same when summed to mono.
That's my opinion and I'm always right.

Yep, the heavily stereo sampled voices do have problems, and separation never has been an issue for most players, or any audiences. And, you ARE always right.

Gary

have you ever seen a DJ at a wedding or any other venue with only one speaker?

Yes! Many of them, and they were all using a single Bose L1 Mod II and the place will filled with wonderful sounds.

Gary

I have seen many DJ's using the Bose L1 system but always TWO of them... like I said earlier...PC vs Mac

I would never play my Tyros4 in mono, and when working as a demonstrator, was always required to use a stereo system...even if it meant using another company's system.

Using two Bose L1's for concert work several years ago, in a big theater, I did a few recordings on the arranger's on-board midi recorder, and walked around the place to get an idea of how it sounded. I was quite surprised to be able to distinguish stereo separation at nearly every place I stood.

Definitely a tribute to Bose's remarkable system, and, from then on it was the system I used for bigger venues.

It's not just Yamaha's samples that don't collapse well to mono...the effects used on many of the sounds, especially guitars (including those in the styles) rely on stereo for proper reproduction of chorus, delays, and rotary speaker to name only a few.

I had no problems with the alleged lack of mids in the Bose system...I got a very lovely balanced sound with a few EQ adjustments on the arranger...like any system, you do have to do some work to suit your preferred instrument's characteristics.

There is really no right or wrong, or winners, here...just like choosing an arranger, you make sure your sound system is one that suits your needs and preferences.

Ian

PS...All the DJ's I've seen using Bose systems (including the Compact) used two speakers.

I am not sure what kind of sound separation there may be in the back of a hall far from the speakers, but to me there is a difference in sound quality ... going back to my kn6000 I could hear the difference when using 2 speakers vs 1 ... on those occasions when I use 1 speaker I always use a Y connector so that I am at least sending both left and right signals into the one speaker ... there may not be any sound separation, but at least both right and left sounds are heard ...

And I have never seen a DJ use only one BOSE ... just sayin' ...

Hey Tony,
On my Korg PA 80 and my Yamaha PSR 750 there are left and right stereo outputs. On both keyboards the Left is labelled as L/mono. Does that mean that the keyboard already routes both channels to a combined mono output or would I be wise to plug a Y connector in to both outputs before plugging into the Bose?

As far as sending out a stereo sound image throughout the room you would never hear the stereo image like you do on headphones even if you were in the sweetest of "sweet spots"

All I know is what I hear from slightly behind and to one side (without feedback) from the Bose is the best sound I have heard from my setup. My friend checked it out in a church hall where I was playing. He told me the sound he heard from anywhere in the room was the same as what he heard when he stood beside the speakers. Combined with the fact that I was hearing myself better than ever before that info was enough to convince me to turn my rental into a purchase.

God Bless,
Don

That is what I was wondering. But if you did do that test and could distinguish the stereo image as you walked around the room then my doubts were unjustified. I just wondered if anyone had done that test so thanks for correcting me and letting me know. You are correct Donny. Sounds like you have an ideal stereo sound system now. I will always admit when I am wrong.

Take a song like Billy idols Mony Mony.....toward the end at 2:54 there is a break at 2:54 that sounds like a jet airplane passing by left to right......now without a STEREO setup you would totally lose the effect for sure,....just sayin that's one example..losing the "chorus efx" on electric pianos is another like in the "Just the Way You Are" intro, etc, etc, ..

I have to admit that I was both surprised and impressed with what I heard from those two L1 systems.

So did the stage manager, who is also an old friend from high school, and had never heard two Bose systems set up that way (in stereo). He said there were quite a few performers (mainly guitarist/singers) who used "the stick" as he called them, but they only used one.

Dave has been stage manager at the venue for well over 20 years.

He also dished out some good natured ribbing to "Mr. Yamaha" (me) about using a non-Yamaha PA system. The concert was not connected in any way with Yamaha so I was free to use what I wanted...and, and believe me, I now wanted those Bose L1's at every show.

I had used a Yamaha Stagepas 500 a few weeks earlier in a fairly large showroom, and had done the same thing (record/playback) as I did when testing the Bose, and after about 30ft, or maybe less, there was pretty much no definitive stereo separation that I could hear, although the system did sound fuller (and better) than when in mono.

Whatever kind of dispersal thing that happens from the two Bose L1's, it manages to keep the stereo imaging, not only at a greater distance, but also at nearly every point in the room.

It not only impressed me and my stage manager buddy, Dave, but I had several local players come up to me after the gig and who commented on the great sound...and, all I was using for those gigs was a MOTL PSR-S900.

I'd love to run my Tyros4 through the same setup.

Two of the L1's are very expensive, but we keyboard guys spend nearly that amount on our high end keyboards and their peripherals...and, with the Bose, it is a one time purchase as you should only need to buy a PA system once...plus, with the Bose you eliminate the expense and hassle of a separate monitor system.

The Bose L1 is of very high quality construction and should last a long, long time.

I not only had a great keyboard amplification/monitor system, but I had an awesome stereo PA system that could be used in almost any gigging situation.

I don't think I would have to advise anyone here on SZ that, if interested, one should actually try the Bose system out before making such a big investment, but I will say that when I return to gigging, that's what I'm using for my PA.

Ian

PS...it would be interesting to hear if two Bose Compacts behave in a similar way in producing such a wide stereo field.

I did use two of the Bose L1s together on several larger shows, but it is just overkill for 99 percent of the stuff I do. Once I tried using two Compacts together I never had occasion to use the big ones again, so I eventually sold them both.
Having said this, the sound with two of the large Bose systems is just so good it is scary.
If you are not hearing mids, there is something wrong with your hearing or your e.q. I ran them flat and only e.q.d from the keyboard a little.

Don ... I haven't really tested it with the KORG, but with my kn6000 I definitely heard a fuller, more rich sound using the Y connector and I have been doing that ever since, even when I went to the KORG ... I will have to give the KORG a test one of these days ...

As far as the sound disbursement of the BOSE, you are definitely correct, and I think that has been well documented ... I always do a sound check before starting a gig, and the very first time I used a BOSE - not mine unfortunately, just filling in for a friend at his steady gig - I put a midi file of "Breezin" on the kn6000 and as I walked around this long, fairly narrow room I was really amazed at how it sounded ...
When I am using 2 speakers (Podium 10's), I only hope the audience is hearing some of the same separation I am hearing ...

One two cha cha cha ....

???

... and how did this thread get started? ... just sayin' ...

I'm not one to waste money on gear, so when I buy, I try to buy long term and in so doing, also maximize my profit.

I think two Bose L1's would be a great investment for my needs.

The sound of the two L1's was as you described..."so good it is scary".

The Compacts just wouldn't cover enough gig situations in my case, although we did try a set in the store a while ago, and the sound was very impressive, especially considering their size and weight.

With the L1's, I had no issue whatsoever with any mid-range loss...it was easy to fix things with a simple adjustment on the S900's Main Equalizer.

The parts that seemed to benefit the most from stereo were the guitars, both as Right Hand sounds and in the styles, although I do have a special stereo string patch combination (two different string sounds) that really has a nice "bigness" about it when played in stereo.

The Electric Pianos that use stereo chorus (or panned delay) also benefit nicely, as do the Drawbar Organs that use the Rotary Speaker emulation.

When you think about it, all these arranger instruments were originally designed to sound at their best in stereo, so there is bound to be some loss when played in mono.

Good to see you back posting, Don...you gave us (and quite likely, yourself) a bit of scare with your health issues. I'm glad to see you are on the mend.

Ian

Horse Hockey

... hmmm ... that would be interesting to see ... wait - isn't that POLO ?!?

Just quoting Sherman T. Potter! (M*A*S*H)

There ya go, Tony.

Yeah!

Cow Dancing is a far more Moosical.

Udderly fantastic fun!

Donny will now try to cowculate how long we'll milk this silliness.

But, I will add that a cow's favorite moosical note is Beef-flat.

Now, let's just let him ruminate over this for a while.(ouch!)

Ian

...I'm NOT worthy .....
(cue visual of Wayne & Garth bowing down to Ian)

Just to be clear, ....aside from my sound issues in which I have described many times before using the Bose systems on stage, Mids, Thinness, & a few other things, ......for my needs in STEREO Carrying TWO L1 Units includes a total of 8 Pieces of speakers, ples, base, subs, plus the covers & the time it takes to put them all on which in itself is a tight chore when in a rush,........Plus my 8 pieces of Gear to perform with eg: keyboard, double tier stand, Mixer, wires, Mic, etc, etc, ...now talking that IN & OUT every day and many times twice a day is a burden I don't want to deal with to transport & set up vs my two Power Speakers DXR12's, or DXr8's, or other power speakers I've used Mackie 450's, ......as for the compacts.....I play at a high volume level which the smaller Compact just couldn't handle,.....many times distorting running KB & Vocals thru them & once I heard that on stage I had to dump them. And I wasn't gonna own 2 sets of L1,& 2 sets of compacts, .....We all have different needs for
Live Audio gear, at least I tried them but sadly Bose gear ain't for me.

Obviously, not being a performer, I don't know what I'm talking about here, but - those of you who are primarily singers know that humans don't sing in stereo - so a mono system is just fine for you - however, if you are more of a player, then stereo is the best way to go.