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#412373 - 12/02/15 07:09 AM Re: Nostalgic Bert Kaempfert sound in detail [Re: ]
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You sure succeed at recreating that sound, Rosetree.

You'd be amazed at how many people love Bert's music. Granted, most of them are in their fifties and up, but still a force to reckon with. In fact, those that love Hansi, love Bert as well.
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#412377 - 12/02/15 07:26 AM Re: Nostalgic Bert Kaempfert sound in detail [Re: ]
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Originally Posted By: rosetree
I really like this music, too. And I like making my instruments sound like an orchestra of the 1960s instead of a present-day mainstream (arranger) sound.
There doesn't seem to be a large Kaempfert fan base, but I have a few subscribers who really like it, one of them is a professional trumpeter from the US, with whom I'm going to record a Kaempfert tune together some time.


First time checking out this thread. Yes, really nice work to accurately reproduce that nostalgic feel from the 60s. Not easily accomplished.

I'm sure you must of worked on the DSPs to minimize the stereo spread for that mono effect, added some LowFi effects, and tweaked the reverb to get the ambiance close. I guess if these effects were added to a nice guitar strumming sample, one can argue that the overall sound becomes a bit "muddled", but that is the exact effect you require to get that nostalgic feel correct.

In regards to the Tyros 5 guitar voices and strumming effects, several styles do have a really nice strumming programming for those style parts. A few multipads, and of course you can change to any other suitable guitar. Good strumming style parts and different rhythm variations are not that easy to find. Whenever a nice Premium Style is introduced that has a good quality guitar part, I sometimes purchase the style just for the strumming guitar part and rework those style parts into other styles as I need them.

Even then, all the effects are optimized for that modern premium processed sound you find on all the new arrangers. No lack of of really good guitar voices, programming, and DSP/AMP effects on the Tyros 5 or latest S970, but to obtain that nostalgic sound that you nailed with your Integra Sound Module would require a lot of experimenting. The other option of course, would be to sample sounds and voices from that era and compose on any sampling arranger.

Nice job, good thread. Thanks for sharing.

Marcus
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#412408 - 12/02/15 12:06 PM Re: Nostalgic Bert Kaempfert sound in detail [Re: Marcus]
rosetree
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Originally Posted By: Marcus

I'm sure you must of worked on the DSPs to minimize the stereo spread for that mono effect, added some LowFi effects, and tweaked the reverb to get the ambiance close. I guess if these effects were added to a nice guitar strumming sample, one can argue that the overall sound becomes a bit "muddled", but that is the exact effect you require to get that nostalgic feel correct.
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Even then, all the effects are optimized for that modern premium processed sound you find on all the new arrangers. No lack of of really good guitar voices, programming, and DSP/AMP effects on the Tyros 5 or latest S970, but to obtain that nostalgic sound that you nailed with your Integra Sound Module would require a lot of experimenting. The other option of course, would be to sample sounds and voices from that era and compose on any sampling arranger.

Nice job, good thread. Thanks for sharing.

Marcus


Thanks, nice you like it. Actually, I didn't really work on the effects, and I didn't reduce stereo. Only for the flutes part I changed the equalizer to reduce bass to get a more typical cool and distant sound. The Integra SN-A Marcato strings are also good for the more demure, distant Kaempfert sound.
The crucial components are the characteristic "knocking" pick bass and the strumming guitars. For the bass, the extremely versatile choice of the Integra's 6,000 sounds is a real plus to find the right one. It is on the SRX 03 expansion, but I edited it to enhance the "knocking" part. The guitars were complex, it's one guitar with a fast ternary movement played by the Integra EX-SN4 steel strumming guitar (a very dry sound but with realistic strumming, but each chord played manually by me) and a more "juicy" sounding steel guitar from the MoXF with a slower pattern (also played manually).
So the Kaempfert sound is more created due to the careful choice of sounds and the way of playing (each track played live when pre-recording, also drum brushes) rather than due to effects here.

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