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#390590 - 07/15/14 05:02 AM Audya 5 Harddisk Question
SigiZ58 Offline
Junior Member

Registered: 07/13/14
Posts: 9
Loc: Switzerland, Bern
Hello,
I am new proud owner of a Audya 5. I got it used very cheap.
Thanks to this board, I could learn a lot and got many hints, for example how to repair wrong checksum, what I did already.

Now, the pre-owner installed OS5, all works fine. But I see, there are some folders missing. As much as I searched, I could not find a list of files a Audy should have in factory state. Also I tried to get recovery DVDs from Switzerland ketron, but they refused as the keyboard seems not to be bought here.

I am not shure if I really need stock DVDs, it seems there are only missed the midifiles and waves folder. Also I am not sure if the user_styles folder is empty.

Has someone the possibility to make a filelist of an Audya4/5 in factory state ?

Second question:
has the problem with the harddisks not beeing able to be formatted with more then 80GB been solved meantimes ? I saw that AJ seems to offer greater hard disks. How do they work ? Has this been realized by editing the partition table directly ?

Third question:
Does anywhere exists a technical start-up schema of an audya ? I mean, what is loaded from the flash and what from the harddisks in which order ? can an audya boot without a harddisk ? I ask because I would like to know what happens when i use the format commando and then shut down the audya. In this case do I have a problem ? and if not, this would mean, an audya can be booted without harddisk...... ?

fourth question:
can an usb-stick or external harddrive be formatted with the audy ? I did not dare to try it yet, as in worst case the format commando would work to the internal harddisk.....

Many questions :-)

Thank you all for this great forum.

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#390628 - 07/16/14 07:55 AM Re: Audya 5 Harddisk Question [Re: SigiZ58]
Ketron_AJ Offline
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Registered: 03/21/01
Posts: 3602
Loc: Middletown, DE
Congratulations on your purchase of the AUDYA 5.

Let me try and answer some of your questions.

1. The company did have restore disks but these were based off of OS3.0. There are no official restore disks for OS5.X yet.

2. Hard Disk only formats to 80GB with the standard AUDYA. We use a special 'tool' to format higher at AJAMSONIC.

3. Audya cannot boot without the Hard Disk. System files in the SYSTEM/INIT folder and Sound files and links in the MSP and INSTRUMENT folder get loaded during boot up.

4. Not yet.

Thanks,

_________________________
[KETRON - USA]
Design Engineer & Product Specialist.
www.KetronAmerica.com

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#390706 - 07/18/14 06:52 AM Re: Audya 5 Harddisk Question [Re: Ketron_AJ]
SigiZ58 Offline
Junior Member

Registered: 07/13/14
Posts: 9
Loc: Switzerland, Bern
Hello AJ,

thanks a lot for answering most of my questions.

Meanwhile I tried to clone my Harddisk to a SSD.
And learned some about startup mechanism.
When you have a unformatted/wrong formatted disk, Sytstem starts up and asks then if you want (F1) Format.
When you choose yes, the the System formats the Hard Disk.
Formatting on ketron means technical 2 steps:
1) Partitioning the disk and creating a 80GB Primary Partition
2) Formatting this partition with FAT32
3) Creating a couple of empty folders

After Formatting, the system boots up. However you cannot use the keyboard, but are able to connect the keyboard via usb to a pc and restore files you might have backupped before.

This steps I did with my SSD, I connected it back to the PC and made a chkdisk. What I found was that there were some failures - from the point of OS. There were some lost sectors (15). After correcting this, the system still booted.

The next step was to allign the SDD for its architecture.
Now the system did not boot anymore, instead it asked to
F1) format
F2) restore disk

What the restore disk command does is not clear for me, I let it run a while and then stopped. After this the disk was empty.

What also did not work was to resize the partition. It ended up in a SDD that seemed not to be formatted.

I guess, there are some "hidden" sectors, that contain the information and after manipulating size or position of the partition without respecting these sectors, the system fails.

But I will continue investigating this for a while.


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Relating the restore disks....
As the Audya 5 came out with OS 4.1, I would be totally happy with this version in factory state. The updates to 4.2 and 5.0 I can make myself of course afterwards...

At least a file list from the disk would be valuable

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Thank you and have a great time



Edited by SigiZ58 (07/18/14 06:54 AM)

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#390711 - 07/18/14 08:20 AM Re: Audya 5 Harddisk Question [Re: SigiZ58]
SigiZ58 Offline
Junior Member

Registered: 07/13/14
Posts: 9
Loc: Switzerland, Bern
Addendum:
I still would like know, if

1) The Folder UserStyles in Factory State is empty

2) somebody could give me a list of files in folders and subfolders
midifiles
wave
mp3

The preowner really deleted those folders ...

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#390750 - 07/19/14 04:39 AM Re: Audya 5 Harddisk Question [Re: SigiZ58]
Snoopy Offline
Member

Registered: 05/23/11
Posts: 284
Loc: Northern Germany
Salü Sigi,

hier mal ein Auszug eines Backups, das ich 2011 von meiner AUDYA-HD gemacht habe :

Datenträger in Laufwerk H: ist AUDYA
Volumeseriennummer:

\mp3

18.12.2008 12:11 1.407.376 Big Band 1 (Take the A train).mp3
18.12.2008 12:02 877.612 Big Band 2.mp3
18.12.2008 12:11 1.692.006 Chill Out.mp3
18.12.2008 12:11 1.504.551 Clean Live Guitar.mp3
18.12.2008 12:11 2.028.672 Cool Pop.mp3
18.12.2008 12:11 3.473.766 Dance.mp3
18.12.2008 12:11 910.840 Elektro Kit.mp3
18.12.2008 12:11 2.357.815 Flugel Horn & Muted.mp3
18.12.2008 12:11 6.205.338 Folk Live Guitar.mp3
18.12.2008 12:11 721.505 Funk Super Kit.mp3
18.12.2008 12:11 1.473.831 Funky Tune.mp3
18.12.2008 12:11 2.197.319 Harp (Interval).mp3
18.12.2008 12:11 1.519.598 Hi Hat Super Kit .mp3
18.12.2008 12:13 2.190.422 I Like Fusion.mp3
18.12.2008 12:13 971.653 Italian Polka.mp3
18.12.2008 12:13 1.029.332 Jazz Alto Solo (Misty).mp3
18.12.2008 12:13 1.482.608 Jazz Guitar.mp3
18.12.2008 12:13 2.016.760 Jazz Waltz.mp3
18.12.2008 12:13 1.834.321 Latin Mix.mp3
18.12.2008 12:13 2.028.672 Lounge.mp3
18.12.2008 12:13 985.446 Mambo.mp3
18.12.2008 12:12 1.183.559 Modern Fusion.mp3
18.12.2008 12:12 2.024.910 Movie Tenor.mp3
18.12.2008 12:12 803.007 Multi Cultural .mp3
18.12.2008 12:12 3.267.503 New Age.mp3
18.12.2008 12:12 4.210.419 Oriental Percussion.mp3
18.12.2008 12:12 1.682.602 Pop Saxophone.mp3
18.12.2008 12:12 1.367.879 Pop Super Kit.mp3
18.12.2008 12:12 1.280.734 Power Super Kit.mp3
18.12.2008 12:12 1.083.875 Retro Slow.mp3
18.12.2008 12:12 2.226.158 Rock Live Guitar.mp3
18.12.2008 12:12 804.888 Salsa.mp3
18.12.2008 12:12 1.470.696 Shuffle Rock.mp3
18.12.2008 12:12 1.244.999 Smooth Ballad.mp3
18.12.2008 12:12 801.753 Solo Trombone.mp3
18.12.2008 12:12 1.310.827 Soul Funk.mp3
18.12.2008 12:12 933.410 Stage Band.mp3
18.12.2008 12:12 3.088.199 Stereo Grand Piano .mp3
18.12.2008 12:12 2.147.790 Strings Quartet.mp3
18.12.2008 12:12 814.292 Sweet Nylon.mp3
18.12.2008 12:12 1.084.502 Tango.mp3
18.12.2008 12:12 1.708.933 Tenor Club 1.mp3
18.12.2008 12:11 1.228.698 Tenor Club 2.mp3
18.12.2008 12:11 718.370 Tenor Sax (exercise).mp3
08.10.2008 09:37 1.766.001 01TooSwing(VocalMute by Doda).mp3
08.10.2008 10:11 1.320.897 02 Age of Rock(VocalMute by Nunny).mp3
18.12.2008 12:11 2.875.039 Alto Sax (exercise).mp3
18.12.2008 12:11 767.271 Baroque.mp3

Datenträger in Laufwerk H: ist AUDYA
Volumeseriennummer:

\midifile

04.01.2005 12:09 36.286 Anonimo_Veneziano.MID
04.01.2005 12:09 85.605 Besame_Mucho.MID
04.01.2005 12:09 95.750 Cabaret.MID
04.01.2005 12:09 66.295 Doctor_Zivago.MID
04.01.2005 12:09 100.106 Hello_Dolly.MID
04.01.2005 12:09 80.535 I'll_Never_Fall_In _Love_Again.MID
04.01.2005 12:09 143.343 La_Vie-_En_Rose.MID
04.01.2005 12:09 20.987 March_Mendelssohn.mid
04.01.2005 12:09 12.738 March_Wagner.mid
04.01.2005 12:09 127.791 Midnight_Cowboy.MID
04.01.2005 12:09 72.986 Raindrops_Keep_Fallinl.MID
04.01.2005 12:09 110.388 So-What's_New.MID
04.01.2005 12:09 72.971 Stranger_In_The_Night.MID
04.01.2005 12:09 132.780 The_Girl_From_Ipanema.MID
04.01.2005 12:09 92.160 Un_Homme_Une_Femme.MID
04.01.2005 12:09 59.037 Wild_Cat.MID
04.01.2005 12:09 32.654 You_Are_So_Beautyfull.MID
04.01.2005 12:09 62.293 Doctor_Zivago_TEST.MID
04.01.2005 12:09 109.938 G_IPANx9.mid
04.01.2005 12:09 109.997 GIRL_V_IPA.MID
04.01.2005 12:09 54.452 Hello MaryLou.MID
04.01.2005 12:09 15.144 JAVA1.mid
04.01.2005 12:09 7.294 PIANOS.mid
04.01.2005 12:09 67.760 Raindrops_Keep_REMIX.MID
04.01.2005 12:09 34.143 TWIST.mid
04.01.2005 12:09 35.013 UNTITLED.mrs

Datenträger in Laufwerk H: ist AUDYA
Volumeseriennummer:

\wave

15.10.2008 09:35 669 01TooSwing(VocalMute by Doda).txt
18.12.2008 10:32 12.933.522 01TooSwing(VocalMute by Doda).wav
08.10.2008 10:01 725 02 Age of Rock(VocalMute by Nunny).TXT
18.12.2008 10:34 9.637.126 02 Age of Rock(VocalMute by Nunny).wav
18.12.2008 10:36 21.112.648 Alto Sax (exercise).wav
18.12.2008 10:36 5.618.784 Baroque.wav
18.12.2008 10:37 10.323.886 Big Band 1 (Take the A train).wav
18.12.2008 10:38 6.426.492 Big Band 2.wav
06.10.2008 09:40 12.412.168 Chill Out.wav
18.12.2008 11:56 11.037.564 Clean Live Guitar.wav
18.12.2008 11:57 14.889.588 Cool Pop.wav
18.12.2008 11:57 25.498.784 Dance.wav
18.12.2008 11:57 6.670.410 Elektro Kit.wav
18.12.2008 11:57 17.309.806 Flugel Horn & Muted.wav
18.12.2008 11:56 45.585.104 Folk Live Guitar.wav
18.12.2008 11:57 5.277.998 Funk Super Kit.wav
18.12.2008 11:57 10.809.594 Funky Tune.wav
18.12.2008 11:57 16.126.592 Harp (Interval).wav
18.12.2008 11:57 11.145.538 Hi Hat Super Kit .wav
18.12.2008 11:56 16.022.808 I Like Fusion.wav
18.12.2008 11:57 7.118.920 Italian Polka.wav
18.12.2008 11:57 7.545.834 Jazz Alto Solo (Misty).wav
18.12.2008 11:57 10.876.422 Jazz Guitar.wav
18.12.2008 11:57 14.800.166 Jazz Waltz.wav
18.12.2008 11:06 13.458.906 Latin Mix.wav
18.12.2008 11:06 14.888.784 Lounge.wav
18.12.2008 11:05 7.220.580 Mambo.wav
18.12.2008 11:05 8.678.916 Modern Fusion.wav
18.12.2008 11:56 14.859.346 Movie Tenor.wav
18.12.2008 11:05 5.879.322 Multi Cultural .wav
05.10.2008 13:55 23.994.524 New Age.wav
06.10.2008 09:42 30.924.954 Oriental Percussion.wav
18.12.2008 11:57 12.346.988 Pop Saxophone.wav
06.10.2008 07:11 10.031.518 Pop Super Kit.wav
06.10.2008 07:11 9.390.090 Power Super Kit.wav
18.12.2008 11:57 7.944.254 Retro Slow.wav
04.10.2008 09:39 16.337.740 Rock Live Guitar.wav
18.12.2008 11:57 5.896.636 Salsa.wav
18.12.2008 11:57 10.795.566 Shuffle Rock.wav
06.10.2008 07:11 9.130.122 Smooth Ballad.wav
18.12.2008 11:56 5.871.366 Solo Trombone.wav
18.12.2008 11:57 9.615.202 Soul Funk.wav
18.12.2008 11:57 6.840.458 Stage Band.wav
18.12.2008 11:57 22.676.508 Stereo Grand Piano .wav
18.12.2008 11:56 15.763.748 Strings Quartet.wav
18.12.2008 11:57 5.965.362 Sweet Nylon.wav
18.12.2008 11:57 7.952.622 Tango.wav
18.12.2008 11:57 12.539.594 Tenor Club 1.wav
18.12.2008 11:57 9.007.432 Tenor Club 2.wav
18.12.2008 11:57 5.259.022 Tenor Sax (exercise).wav
_________________________
Greetings from East-Frisia ( Northern-Germany )

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#390758 - 07/19/14 12:01 PM Re: Audya 5 Harddisk Question [Re: Snoopy]
SigiZ58 Offline
Junior Member

Registered: 07/13/14
Posts: 9
Loc: Switzerland, Bern
Hallo Snoopy,

na das ist ja schon mal was, vielen Dank :-)

Sieht so aus, als hätte ich die wav Dateien vollständig, jedoch bei den Midi und MP3 Dateien sieht es nach Lücken aus.

Wie sieht es bei den User Styles aus ? Ist da etwas drin gewesen ?

Ich habe, als ich noch in Deutschland gewohnt habe, in Niedersachsen gewohnt, an der Weser. Kenne Nordrhein-Westfalen auch ganz gut :-)

Also nochmals besten Dank, vielleicht hat Du ja bei Gelegenheit noch Lust, noch welche von den anderen Ordnern zu posten ?

Liebe Grüsse

Sigi

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