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#390726 - 07/18/14 09:03 AM
Re: New harmonizer ... need it like a hole in the head
[Re: Dnj]
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still ... I'm going the outboard route for the following reasons: 1) more harmonies - the VL3 has 4 parts and you can get 8 in choir/double mode 2) allows for looping onstage with no extra gear 3) best guitar effects in town 4) allows for guitar fueled harmonies without switching mics around ... one central processor 5) I want the same effects & harmonies whether I play an acoustic guitar, piano or arranger situation. I want this one little box to be my main mix ... my "go to" setup - the rest is all academic. I can play anything for bass, drums and chords if the vocals and tracks are all in order.
For small, quick jobs - the built-in harmonizer in the PA900 is more than sufficient, but if I'm bringing a guitar - I need more flexibility.
I'll be couped up the nest 3 days tweaking this new setup before I head back to the jersey Shore on Monday for it's stage debut!
Fingers crossed that I don't pull too much more hair out ... can't afford it! http://www.tc-helicon.com/products/voicelive-3/looks bulky big & heavy? did you get the FREE FX150 with it? FREE FX150 Dave doesn't care if it's big, bulky, heavy, etc..., he's a relatively young guy, or maybe he can have one of his kids be his roady. ![wink wink](/forum/images/graemlins/default_dark/wink.gif) Gary
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#390729 - 07/18/14 09:29 AM
Re: New harmonizer ... need it like a hole in the head
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Edited by Dnj (07/18/14 09:30 AM)
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#390741 - 07/18/14 06:42 PM
Re: New harmonizer ... need it like a hole in the head
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Gulp - I goofed ... missed the fine print. This unit is amazing, and sounds cleaner than previous versions, but it only allows THREE voices at once - me and 2 others! That's a step backwards in many ways ... might not be able to justify it anymore. I'll have to see just how good the guitar sounds ... Damn ... I was so sure I had a winner here. My VLT2 allows FOUR voices to add to mine - I loved that, and thought the flagship would retain that feature. Sadly, they took away some to give more. I have to admit - it sounds fabulous, but it's no longer a grand slam upgrade for me .... maybe a solid double. (no pun intended!) So ... I have 2 more days to decide if I need to need it, and then I'll concentrate on a better compromise when adding guitar vocals. That was the main motivator. I have an awesome pedalboard with a harmonizer and all the effects I need, but that requires a separate mic plugged it. If I daisy chain the mic ... I seem to get a doubling effect. I'll fiddle with that more tomorrow. If you love the ease of vocals triggered by ANY source, including an acoustic instrument nearby, need great guitar effects and want to create fun loops on the fly ... it's 100% ready for ya ... if you can live with 3 voices (or the added ooomph of a doubling effect that "choir"ises it) Why don't they make what I want????? Looks like I have the best tools available for my weird little needs already. ![smile smile](/forum/images/graemlins/default_dark/smile.gif)
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#390744 - 07/18/14 07:41 PM
Re: New harmonizer ... need it like a hole in the head
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#390755 - 07/19/14 08:44 AM
Re: New harmonizer ... need it like a hole in the head
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#391198 - 07/26/14 09:23 AM
Re: New harmonizer ... need it like a hole in the head
[Re: Uncle Dave]
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GOT IT!!!! Of course, it's user error, too. (doah!) The "in depth" editing capabilities are HUMUNGUS on this unit, and you need to do some groundwork before you take it on stage. The TC way of communicating with your source instruments has been expanded to include: midi guitar audio roomsense and maybe more ... (I quit when I found what I needed - midi, guitar) You cannot set a global source, unless you only use ONE trigger instrument. In my case, I will use midi, guitar, and maybe the odd track from the ipad if I'm "winging" a request that I don't know very well. EACH preset must select the source. This is a small inconvenience in setup to produce the best possible tracking and chord recognition. I'm blown away already ... the depth of the editing, the clarity of the sound, the number of effect combos and the versitility of the looper - so cool. My guitar show has just leaped forward by a mile, and can now compete with my keyboard rig as a full sounding, versatile band emulation. When I go out as a guitarist with a band, I will be able to pad the group with lush "ooohs and ahhhs" without bringing a lot of gear. When I do my solo thing - I can create real time backing loops as the crowd watches and hears the arrangement get fuller with each pass, and now that me and midi are pals again - my full OMB rig will sound better than ever. Sigh .. thanx for all the suggestions - this is proof that no matter how much experience you "think" you have in this industry ... technology is changing faster than we can blink. I guess real men DO real manuals. ![smile smile](/forum/images/graemlins/default_dark/smile.gif) Cheers!
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