Top Ten Signs You're a Fundamentalist Christian

10 - You vigorously deny the existence of thousands of gods claimed by other religions, but feel outraged when someone denies the existence of yours.

9 - You feel insulted and "dehumanized" when scientists say that people evolved from other life forms, but you have no problem with the Biblical claim that we were created from dirt.

8 - You laugh at polytheists, but you have no problem believing in a Triune God.

7 - Your face turns purple when you hear of the "atrocities" attributed to Allah, but you don't even flinch when hearing about how God/Jehovah slaughtered all the babies of Egypt in "Exodus" and ordered the elimination of entire ethnic groups in "Joshua" including women, children, and trees!

6 - You laugh at Hindu beliefs that deify humans, and Greek claims about gods sleeping with women, but you have no problem believing that the Holy Spirit impregnated Mary, who then gave birth to a man-god who got killed, came back to life and then ascended into the sky.

5 - You are willing to spend your life looking for little loopholes in the scientifically established age of Earth (few billion years), but you find nothing wrong with believing dates recorded by Bronze Age tribesmen sitting in their tents and guessing that Earth is a few generations old.

4 - You believe that the entire population of this planet with the exception of those who share your beliefs -- though excluding those in all rival sects - will spend Eternity in an infinite Hell of Suffering. And yet consider your religion the most "tolerant" and "loving."

3 - While modern science, history, geology, biology, and physics have failed to convince you otherwise, some idiot rolling around on the floor speaking in "tongues" may be all the evidence you need to "prove" Christianity.

2 - You define 0.01% as a "high success rate" when it comes to answered prayers. You consider that to be evidence that prayer works. And you think that the remaining 99.99% FAILURE was simply the will of God.

1 - You actually know a lot less than many atheists and agnostics do about the Bible, Christianity, and church history - but still call yourself a Christian.

Hitler�s involvement with the Church:

a) Hitler was baptized as Roman Catholic during infancy in Austria.

b) As Hitler approached boyhood he attended a monastery school. (On his way to school young Adolf daily observed a stone arch which was carved with the monastery�s coat of arms bearing a swastika.)

c) Hitler was a communicant and an altar boy in the Catholic Church.

d) As a young man he was confirmed as a �soldier of Christ.� His most ardent goal at the time was to become a priest. Hitler writes of his love for the church and clergy: �I had excellent opportunity to intoxicate myself with the solemn splendor of the brilliant church festivals. As was only natural, the abbot seemed to me, as the village priest had once seemed to my father, the highest and most desirable ideal.� -Adolf Hitler (Mein Kampf)

e) Hitler was NEVER excommunicated nor condemned by his church. Matter of fact the Church felt he was JUST and �avenging for God� in attacking the Jews for they deemed the Semites the killers of Jesus.

f) Hitler, Franco and Mussolini were given VETO power over whom the pope could appoint as a bishop in Germany, Spain and Italy. In turn they surtaxed the Catholics and gave the money to the Vatican. Hitler wrote a speech in which he talks about this alliance, this is an excerpt: �The fact that the Vatican is concluding a treaty with the new Germany means the acknowledgement of the National Socialist state by the Catholic Church. This treaty shows the whole world clearly and unequivocally that the assertion that National Socialism [Nazism] is hostile to religion is a lie.� Adolf Hitler, 22 July 1933, writing to the Nazi Party

Hitler and the Pope) Hitler worked CLOSELY with Pope Pius in converting Germanic society and supporting the church. The Church absorbed Nazi ideals and preached them as part of their sermons in turn Hitler placed Catholic teachings in public education.

Each April 20, Cardinal Bertram of Berlin was to send �warmest congratulations to the Fuhrer in the name of the bishops and the dioceses in Germany with �fervent prayers which the Catholics of Germany are sending to heaven on their altars.�

(If you would like to know more about the secret dealings of Hitler and the Pope I recommend you get a book titled: Hitler�s Pope: The Secret History of Pius XII, by John Cornwell)

h) Due to Hitler�s involvement with the Church he began enacting doctrines of the Church as law. He outlawed all abortion, raged a death war on all homosexuals, and demanded corporal punishment in schools and home. Many times Hitler addressed the church and promised that Germany would implement its teachings: �The National Socialist State professes its allegiance to positive Christianity. It will be its honest endeavor to protect both the great Christian Confessions in their rights, to secure them from interference with their doctrines (Lehren), and in their duties to constitute a harmony with the views and the exigencies of the State of today.� �Adolf Hitler, on 26 June 1934, to Catholic bishops to assure them that he would take action against the new pagan propaganda �Providence has caused me to be Catholic, and I know therefore how to handle this Church.� -Adolf Hitler, reportedly to have said in Berlin in 1936 on the enmity of the Catholic Church to National Socialism

The bible is an inanimate object. This is a personification. It can't "lead", "give" or do any other human thing. It can contain things and ideas. This is bad grammar in any language.

"Belief" verses "Believe". That's also wrong, but explained by the cultural/language differences.

Line after line of disassociated thought. Someone should learn how to write.

BTW, Carlin is GREAT!


Russ

Excerpts taken from http://www.evilbible.com/



For far too long priests and preachers have completely ignored the vicious criminal acts that the Bible promotes. The so called �God� of the Bible makes Osama Bin Laden look like a Boy Scout. This God, according to the Bible, is directly responsible for many mass-murders, rapes, pillage, plunder, slavery, child abuse and killing, not to mention the killing of unborn children. I have included references to the Biblical passages, so grab your Bible and follow along.

It always amazes me how many times this God orders the killing of innocent people even after the Ten Commandments said �Thou shall not kill�. For example, God kills 70,000 innocent people because David ordered a census of the people (1 Chronicles 21). God also orders the destruction of 60 cities so that the Israelites can live there. He orders the killing of all the men, women, and children of each city, and the looting of all of value (Deuteronomy 3). He orders another attack and the killing of �all the living creatures of the city: men and women, young, and old, as well as oxen sheep, and asses� (Joshua 6). In Judges 21, He orders the murder of all the people of Jabesh-gilead, except for the virgin girls who were taken to be forcibly raped and married. When they wanted more virgins, God told them to hide alongside the road and when they saw a girl they liked, kidnap her and forcibly rape her and make her your wife! Just about every other page in the Old Testament has God killing somebody! In 2 Kings 10:18-27, God orders the murder of all the worshipers of a different god in their very own church! In total God kills 371,186 people directly and orders another 1,862,265 people murdered.

The God of the Bible also allows slavery, including selling your own daughter as a sex slave (Exodus 21:1-11), child abuse (Judges 11:29-40 and Isaiah 13:16), and bashing babies against rocks (Hosea 13:16 & Psalms 137:9).

This type of criminal behavior should shock any moral person. Murder, rape, pillage, plunder, slavery, and child abuse can not be justified by saying that some god says it�s OK. If more people would actually sit down and read the Bible there would be a lot more atheists like myself.

Jesus also promoted the idea that all men should castrate themselves to go to heaven: "For there are eunuchs, that were so born from their mother's womb: and there are eunuchs, that were made eunuchs by men: and there are eunuchs, that made themselves eunuchs for the kingdom of heaven's sake. He that is able to receive it, let him receive it." (Matthew 19:12 ASV) I don't know why anyone would follow the teachings of someone who literally tells all men to cut off their privates.

The God of the Bible also was a big fan of ritual human sacrifice and animal sacrifice.

And just in case you are thinking that the evil and immoral laws of the Old Testament are no longer in effect, perhaps you should read where Jesus makes it perfectly clear: "It is easier for Heaven and Earth to pass away than for the smallest part of the letter of the law to become invalid." (Luke 16:17 NAB) There are many more quotes on this topic at my "Do Not Ignore the Old Testament" web page.

I know that most Christians believe that God is a good and loving god, and wants people to do good things. I believe that most people want to do good things and behave morally. I also believe that many Christians haven�t really read the Bible, or just read certain passages in church. This is understandable, as the Bible is hard to read due to its archaic language and obscure references. Also many priests and preachers don�t like to read certain passages in the Bible because they present a message of hate not love.

Ian I was just about to put this on...Great post.
Anything extreme can't be good.From extreme Christianity to extreme Islam.Key word there is "extreme" .Doesn't really matter what is after that word.In religion like in everything in life, if you take it moderately it's good.If you take a shot of votka every day, nothing is going to happen to you, but if you chug that big bottle every day you become alcoholic and you do everything in life according to that votka.

Excerpts taken from http://carm.org/god-of-old-testament-a-monster

Far from being innocent, the objects of God�s judgments were involved in gross sin and committed acts of great barbarism, such as ritualistically burning their own children to death as offerings to their false gods. Amazingly, instead of immediately destroying the people involved in such things, the actual opposite is found: the Scripture conveys that God had incredible patience and waited until the full measure of their deeds were completed. For example, while speaking to Abraham about the future exodus of Israel from Egypt, God says the following about the Amorite people: "Then in the fourth generation they will return here, for the iniquity of the Amorite is not yet complete,� (Gen 15:15).

One has to ask if mankind today would be as long-suffering with such horrible acts? Were such acts as those chronicled in the Old Testament catapulted into the twenty-first century and globally broadcast via CNN, there would no doubt be a universal outcry with military action being prescribed if such actions were not immediately halted. Why then do God�s critics feel justified in labeling the Creator as morally unjust even when God waited, in some cases, for centuries to punish the peoples involved?

After carefully examining the chief Old Testament examples that atheists use to label God as unjust, it has been demonstrated that their criticisms and characterizations are unfounded, and their understanding of the various situations flawed. Further, rather than living up to Dawkin�s caricature of being a vindictive, impatient, quick-tempered, and bloodthirsty deity, the image of God that instead emerges from the Old Testament after a thorough study is just the opposite; God is portrayed as forgiving, patient, and slow to bring forth judgment. However, He is also revealed to be a holy, just, and righteous God who will bring justice about in His time. In short, the God of the Old Testament matches the God of the New Testament.

Whew! Another day I thank god I'm an atheist.

Man, freethinking and no religiosity have to be the best feelings ever...just a teensy weensy bit ahead of playing my Tyros4, of course!

I wish you the best Henni, and I hope someday you'll find even half as much freedom and enlightenment as I have discovered.

As Frank Sinatra sang (with credits to Paul Anka), "I did it my way!"

Best of luck with yours.


Ian the Happy Heathen

Excerpts taken from http://www.isaiah666.com/hell_testimonies.htm

"A respiratory nurse who works in an emergency room told me about a patient who had gone �code red� � he flat lined. She and some other medical personnel rushed over with the defibrillator to try and bring him back to life. They applied the paddles and revived him. She said that he started screaming and shouting �the heat, the heat!� then his heart stopped again. They brought him back a second time. He shouted �The flames, the flames!� They lost him again. Four times the man flat lined and was brought back, each time shouting about the heat or the flames. After the last time, he died and they could not bring him back. She said all the doctors and nurses just stood there for a few minutes and stared at the body. They all knew that man went to hell."

Many, many more http://www.freeevangelism.com/heavenandhell.htm

"How many people did Hitler, Stalin, Mao + Pol Pot kill in the aim of furthering the cause of atheism?

Mao 30 million
Stalin 22 million
Hitler 16 million.
Pol Pot 2 million in a tiny country in less than 3 years.

Murders in the name of Christianity can't even come close."
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Yours is an excuse many Christians use. To be fair, however, and this is where most fail or just are too hardheaded to try to comprehend, Mao, Stalin, Hitler and Pol Pot did NOT kill in the name of atheism.

Hitler, for instance, was a baptized Catholic and was never ex-communicated.

Take a look at this:

"The NSDAP Party Program stated: �We demand freedom for all religious confessions in the state, insofar as they do not endanger its existence or conflict with the customs and moral sentiments of the Germanic race. The party as such represents the standpoint of a positive Christianity, without owing itself to a particular confession�.�
Positive Christianity adhered to basic orthodox doctrines and asserted that Christianity must make a practical, positive difference in people�s lives. It�s difficult to maintain that Nazi ideology was atheistic when it explicitly endorsed and promoted Christianity in the party platform."

and

By contrast to all this, the Soviet Union was undeniably an atheist state, and the same applies to Maoist China and to Pol Pot�s fanatical Khmer Rouge regime in Cambodia in the 1970s. That does not, however, show that the atrocities committed by these totalitarian dictatorships were the result of atheist beliefs, carried out in the name of atheism, or caused primarily by the atheistic aspects of the relevant forms of communism. In all of these cases, the situation was more complex � as, to be fair, also applies to some of the persecutions and atrocities in which religious movements, organizations, and leaders have been deeply implicated over the centuries."

and

While we do not doubt that religious people were often targeted as enemies of all these regimes� grandiose plans, this was usually because churches and other religious authorities (such as those related to Confucian tradition in China) were seen as actual or potential sources of resistance. Once again, the Soviet authorities were not always on bad terms with the Orthodox Church, and the aim of these communist regimes was to suppress any opposition, from whatever source, while carrying out massive transformations of their countries� economic bases. There was plenty of fanaticism involved, but mainly about holding onto power and engaging in mass-scale forms of social engineering � whether agricultural collectivization, forced urbanization, or, as in the case of Pol Pot�s ��Democratic Kampuchea,�� forced deurbanization and abandonment of learning and technology.
None of this follows from mere atheism, and instead far more comprehensive political and economic ideologies were relied upon. These bear little resemblance to the views of most thinkers in the rationalist tradition that dates back to ancient Greece, and they are remote from anything found in the thinking of high-profile atheists involved in current debates � ��celebrity atheists,�� to use Abramovich�s trivializing expression � who tend to be political liberals and pluralists. Indeed, con- temporary atheists tend to oppose comprehensive, apocalyptic ideologies such as Nazism, Stalinism, and Pol Pot�s agrarian socialism, partly because these imitate so many of the features of monotheistic religion � aspects of religion that contributed historically to pogroms, witch hunts, and inquisitions."

----------------------------------------------------------------------How many has God killed? (Complete list and estimated total)

kill ... I wound ... I will make my arrows drunk with blood, and my sword shall devour flesh. -- Deuteronomy 32:39-42
In a previous post, I've listed and counted God's killings in the Bible. But I only included those that said exactly how many were killed by God. I came up with 2,476,633.

But that didn't include some of God's most impressive slaughters. How many did God drown in the flood or burn to death in Sodom and Gomorrah? How many first-born Egyptians did he kill? The Bible doesn't say, so there's no way to know for sure. But it's possible to provide rough estimates in order to get a grand total, and that's what I'm attempting here.

Total with estimates: 25 million.
The table shows two numbers: the number given by the Bible, if any, and an estimate, when no biblical number is available.

Total number killed by God in the Bible
- Using biblical numbers only: 2,821,364
- With estimates: 25 million

Complete list:
http://dwindlinginunbelief.blogspot.tw/2010/04/drunk-with-blood-gods-killings-in-bible.html
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2 Thus saith the LORD of hosts, I remember that which Amalek did to
Israel, how he laid wait for him in the way, when he came up from Egypt.


3 Now go and smite Amalek, and utterly destroy all that they have, and
spare them not; but slay both man and woman, infant and suckling, ox and
sheep, camel and ass.

4 And Saul gathered the people together, and numbered them in Telaim,
two hundred thousand footmen, and ten thousand men of Judah.



A praise for dashing little children against rocks as a form of revenge:


Psalm 137:8-9

8 O daughter of Babylon, O destroyed one, O the happiness of him who repayeth to thee thy deed, That thou hast done to us.

9 O the happiness of him who doth seize, And hath dashed thy sucklings on the rock!
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Don't get me started on all the pedophilia that happens in the bible. Yet, isn't it Christians that keep mentioning Mohammad and his child-bride while conveniently ignoring the countless child marriages. Or the argument is that this all happened in the Old Testament. Well, the OT is part of the bible, isn't? Genesis is part of the OT and that's widely believed. Why is it perfectly alright to only take what you believe paints a positive picture while either ignoring facts or laughing it off as something that shouldn't be taken literally.

How old was Joseph when he married Marry?

Aren't there quite a number of Biblical prophets, dirty old men, that married children under the age of 10?
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Women's rights...or lack thereof:

1 Corinthians 7:1-40 ESV

Now concerning the matters about which you wrote: �It is good for a man not to have sexual relations with a woman.� But because of the temptation to sexual immorality, each man should have his own wife and each woman her own husband. The husband should give to his wife her conjugal rights, and likewise the wife to her husband. For the wife does not have authority over her own body, but the husband does. Likewise the husband does not have authority over his own body, but the wife does. Do not deprive one another, except perhaps by agreement for a limited time, that you may devote yourselves to prayer; but then come together again, so that Satan may not tempt you because of your lack of self-control.

Good to know that women throw their belief out of the window in divorce court.

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"Don't tell me all believe systems are equal..."

Beliefs have to earn respect; they don't deserve it automatically. Some beliefs really are ludicrous and deserve derision.
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Hi Chas,

Most likely a typo but it's spelled Buddha, not Buddah.

As I said in a previous thread religious speeches are like political speeches in that they always mention details out of context.

Virtually every post that promotes a god takes a single verse from the bible that happens to match a point they wish to make, however if you read the full text in the bible (Rather than in isolation) it has nothing to do with the point that the religious are trying to prove.

If the bible was written today by the same people that wrote the original, but they had the knowledge that we have today, it would be completely different to the one that religious leaders promote.

Science constantly questions itself, and if discrepancy are found it looks to find out why they exist and how to correct it, Bible believers on the other hand assume that because it is in the bible (A book that was written centuries ago) it must be correct as nothing changes over time. (If man had followed the teachings of the bible without question we would still be living in the dark ages)

Bill