If someone would not need any vocal Harmony, the price difference between PSR750 and 950 is huge..... I asume the S750 would be the smarter choice..

Anyone experience with the S750? And what about the S650?

I am looking for an arranger to fit some ten year old kids that are serious about learning to make music, they are going to take lessons and have obviously outgrown the PSR E series...


For a sub €1000 arranger, the only alternatives are PA600, Pa300 and the KB5... And then there is the Casio stuff.. Anyone got any advice?

I have PSRA2000 that is the same as S750 + BK5 + PA600...

mmm... the yamaha sound is more easy to get right out of the box.

Roland sounds not so good to my ears. maybe it's because the speakers.

Korg has good sounds, but more hard to play and listen than yamaha. The OS allow a lot more than yamaha (synthesis, FX, style editing, etc...) But more complicated

Finnaly, I am using the PSR more, because it is easy to get a decent sound

If I had to select only one in a desert island, I would go for the korg, because can do more things

But for instant playing, it's PSR

The PSR-S750 is essentially the earlier PSR-S910, but without the vocal harmony and using the same sound system as the PSR-S950.

It has the same SA voices as the S910, and the same styles and polyphony.

It's an awesome little keyboard, and a great bang-for-the-buck.

Ian

Thats what i noticed, where the improvement over the S650 seems huge and the price difference only about 20%. The differences to the s950 ( outside the harmony) seem much much less, but the price difference is almost 100%...

If you dont need a VH, then the choice seems allmost a no brainer.... Never paid attention to this little keyboard, but at the current price of just a liitle bit under €900 its as good as price performance gets

If it was up to me I would never get a 10 years old an arranger keyboard.I would get him something with only few voices and least amount of buttons to push.That way he/she will play more and press buttons less.I have seen too many arranger players playing every song in one key.They just use transpose for every song.

On the other hand I think s750 is a good value keyboard.

Bachus
I've had all my recordings in the last year and a half produced from my PSR S750. I originally ordered the 950 and the Vocal harmony was so far below my standards I figured out how to make the 750 work with my stand alone harmonizer. Good think I know them well at the music store!
Check out........

http://www.synthzone.com/forum/ubbthreads.php/topics/393236/Jazzy_Songs#Post393236

and... FAITHFUL

I'm miked into my Digitech Vocalist 4 which connects to the keyboard with a simple stereo mini plug cable from headphone out on my harmonizer to AUX IN on the 750.

I would highly recommend this keyboard.

God Bless,
Don

Maybe thats because you dont live in europe. Arranger keyboards are still everywhere in the area i live in.

Overhere arrangers are very well accepted, and most music schools have addapted to and are giving arranger keyboard lessons... in which they do not only learn the typical arranger playstyle, but also piano style... and they learn to play both from notes as by ear... They learn about all the typical musicall instruments that are emulated by arrangers, and how to make a sax sound like a sax and a flamengo guitar like a guitar..

With their arranger keyboard lessons, then dont only learn playing keys, they also learn about music in general on a fun instrument..

There is also piano lessons, but they are often to serious for kids of just ten years old, arangers make it fun, and they can allways addapt to piano lessons later on.

And to be frankly honest, i think its all those buttons that pulls them towards arrangers....

And to be frankly honest, i think its all those buttons that pulls them towards arrangers.... [/quote]

That is my point.It will become one more toy to play with, not an instrument.

That is my point.It will become one more toy to play with, not an instrument. [/quote]

Well, as long as the toy is fun, and keeps them interested in making music, i will take that toy any time above something more professiional but kinda dull...

And they allready have a Yamaha E series toy, that they been playing with since last christmass, and they are still playing with it because its fun, its the reason they are taking real musicall lessons in the near future... Because its fun and they enjoy it..

As a teacher, i know its important to combine fun, challenge and education to keep it interesting... As soon as it turns intoo a chore, you have lost their interest...

I too am a teacher and if students are not engaged and enthusiastic they soon lose interest. How many students who take piano, quit because they don't enjoy many of the dull meaningless songs they play?

In schools that teach recorder they start with "Hot Cross Buns" as it offers immediate success. Stick with all those dumb songs in the BAG books (based on notes B, A and G) and not many will stick with recorder. Show them how to play, "Lion Sleeps Tonight", "Ode to Joy" and other songs suited to the notes common on the recorder and you can capture their interest and keep them motivated and enthusiastic.

Man even "Hot Cross Buns" can be fun with the S 750 providing interesting rhythmic accompaniment. In my supply teaching in music the students have a lot of fun playing that silly song with their recorders along to the Cha Cha or Rock rhythms provided by the keyboard.

Music is fun but does take a lot of dedication and hard work. If the fun and enthusiasm are not there then the dedication and hard work elements become drudgery.

God Bless,
Don

Don ... I have seen my grandchildren progress from the recorder to violin playing Hot Cross Buns etc. and now 2 of the 4 are continuing their music education on piano and sax ... I have also seen how their dedicated teachers have worked to make it fun, especially in the band classes, and the improvement over the years - with minimal amount of 'band time' - has been remarkable ...

Hey Tony,
A couple of Grade 4 kids were leaving the music room after the whole class played a twelve bar, Chuck Berry style version of "Hot Cross Buns. One turned to the other and said, "I thought recorder sucked".
"Yeah, that was pretty amazing!"said the other student.

Having said that, I do stress to the kids that I work with, that the best musicianship comes from the ability to read notation along with the ability to play freely in an "ear trained" internalized manner. I feel pretty blessed that I am able to do what I do with the talent that God has given me. I do, however, wish I had taken the time to learn to read music.

God Bless,
Don

Keymusic education has always been very traditional in europe, read the notes and play them...


It took me years to learn to play by ear, which made things a lot more fun however, and thats one of the things i love about todays keyboard lessons.... They learn to read notes, and play by ear at the same time.. Thats a huge jump... They also learn to play both typical arranger style, for quick results and fun as piano style...

Although pa 600 and 300 (sounds and punchiness) are quite good , styles and right hand voices, 750 wins.

But the bigger part /gain is style library and unlimited access to tens of thousands of free and some quality styles.

Korg's style programming ( except for unplugged styles and afew) is poor in general . Sound/seq editing is great. But styles wise, Yamaha still win.

There are free converted new korg PA styles for yamaha. Not the othewY atone due to megavoice tech.

I think in the case of PA600 vs S750 the difference in sound quality is arguable, i personally think the T5 sounds better then the Pa3X, thats because of the new effects section, SA2 voices, organ world, ensemble voices...

But, where the S750 does not have all those features of its bigger brother, there PA600 has most of what makes the pa3x such a great instrument... Soundwise these 2 instruments might be equalls... With some sounds better on PA, others better on S750.. And if you laod the musikant expansion intoo the PA600, its just as suited for european folk music as teh S750..

Personally, i think korg styles and S750 styles are on the same level, most of them sound great... And there is a set of 1100 converted Yamaha sounds to Pa600 format, and growing by the minute...

On top of that the PA600 has
- better keybed
- touchsreen
- its a beast for crating and controlling your own sounds
- markers and a loop option in the sequencer
- chord sequencer
And more...

The only strong point of the S750, is that every sound gets its own insert effects.. And in the PA600 they need to share 4 master effects..



So why would i still advice the S750 to my sister and her kids? Because it requires less tinkering and allows for more playing, on top of that the arranger function is more forgiving on the S750..




I have come to the conclusion, that both are awesome instruments that give a lot of bang for the buck, and both have all the ingredients to enjoy playing music in various ways, as long as you dont want to sing and just want to play the keys both instruments might serve you for at least a decade..

Hi Bachus,

Where can you download these 1100 converted Yamaha sounds to Pa600 format?

http://www.performersheaven.com/index.ph...727&lang=en

there is about 1100 styles and lots of sounds in the set, according to many, most of them are somehow Yamaha related despite the owner claiming the opposite because of copy protection and such.... many however are user created Yamaha styles


seems however Korg is out of stock for PA600 currently in the Netherlands... same as for the Kronos X88... and they don't know if they will ever get another supply

Thanks

Yes I had the same problem with the XW p1 and bought it at musicstore.de for only 300 Euro