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#394822 - 10/15/14 01:18 PM Re: Roland Bk9 demo styles....& More [Re: Dnj]
Fran Carango Senior Member Registered: 05/26/99 Posts: 9673 Loc: Levittown, Pa, USA	Originally Posted By: Dnj There are many features I like but Personally what I never liked about Roland arrangers is the sound of the Brass patches,...there is just something about them to my ears that lacks the realism Yamaha Brass has IMO.. I agree , one of Yamaha's strenghts was brass sounds..not all, they had their selection of losers too.. I think most folks are judging brass sounds in the GM table.... Roland has brass patches that will match well in todays world..They have some of the best in the expansion card library.. I have some brass sounds on the "Studio" card that are my go to brass sounds.. Maybe it is time to revisit and see how good they really are.. _________________________ www.francarango.com
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#394823 - 10/15/14 01:34 PM Re: Roland Bk9 demo styles....& More [Re: Fran Carango]
Dnj Senior Member Registered: 09/21/00 Posts: 43703	Originally Posted By: Fran Carango Originally Posted By: Dnj There are many features I like but Personally what I never liked about Roland arrangers is the sound of the Brass patches,...there is just something about them to my ears that lacks the realism Yamaha Brass has IMO.. I agree , one of Yamaha's strenghts was brass sounds..not all, they had their selection of losers too.. I think most folks are judging brass sounds in the GM table.... Roland has brass patches that will match well in todays world..They have some of the best in the expansion card library.. I have some brass sounds on the "Studio" card that are my go to brass sounds.. Maybe it is time to revisit and see how good they really are.. only way to find out is post a comparison of Brass between the different models...since I've had mostly all models thru the years I judged my opinion on that. Yamaha Brass is a the winner every time..and if you layer them like I do in octaves fugettabouttit!
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#394824 - 10/15/14 01:34 PM Re: Roland Bk9 demo styles....& More [Re: Fran Carango]
rosetree Unregistered	Originally Posted By: Fran Carango Roland has brass patches that will match well in todays world..They have some of the best in the expansion card library.. Listen to these ROLAND SRX 10 brass sounds (official demos) - you can't tell if it is a real brass orchestra or samples: https://soundcloud.com/rolandcom/srx-10-...-brass-ensemble https://soundcloud.com/rolandcom/srx-10-...-brass-ensemble https://soundcloud.com/rolandcom/srx-10-...-brass-ensemble
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#394825 - 10/15/14 01:45 PM Re: Roland Bk9 demo styles....& More [Re: Dnj]
Bachus Senior Member Registered: 03/02/06 Posts: 7143	Originally Posted By: Dnj Originally Posted By: Bachus Originally Posted By: Dnj There are many features I like but Personally what I never liked about Roland arrangers is the sound of the Brass patches,...there is just something about them to my ears that lacks the realism Yamaha Brass has IMO.. Dont think this sounds bad... http://youtu.be/wsUvk_fcMCE 1- that's NOT a Roland arranger KB in the demo 2- I was talking Brass sounds not "solo" Trumpet Thank you Brass is a collection of instruments, from which trumpet is one.... If you meant a brass ensemble sound, you should have said so And while the sound is from the JP80, its of the same quallity as other instruments with super natural acoustic sounds, like integra7, Fa08 or BK9...nas they all use the same samples and the same technollogy aswell as the same effects.... Its all the same sound engine _________________________ Yamaha Genos, Roland Jupiter 80, Ipad pro. http://keyszone.boards.net
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#394826 - 10/15/14 01:53 PM Re: Roland Bk9 demo styles....& More [Re: Bachus]
Dnj Senior Member Registered: 09/21/00 Posts: 43703	Originally Posted By: Bachus Originally Posted By: Dnj Originally Posted By: Bachus Originally Posted By: Dnj There are many features I like but Personally what I never liked about Roland arrangers is the sound of the Brass patches,...there is just something about them to my ears that lacks the realism Yamaha Brass has IMO.. Dont think this sounds bad... http://youtu.be/wsUvk_fcMCE 1- that's NOT a Roland arranger KB in the demo 2- I was talking Brass sounds not "solo" Trumpet Thank you Brass is a collection of instruments, from which trumpet is one.... If you meant a brass ensemble sound, you should have said so And while the sound is from the JP80, its of the same quallity as other instruments with super natural acoustic sounds, like integra7, Fa08 or BK9...nas they all use the same samples and the same technollogy aswell as the same effects.... Its all the same sound engine Well then for that matter the Yamaha Trumpets are my top choices also if that helps you.
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#394827 - 10/15/14 01:57 PM Re: Roland Bk9 demo styles....& More [Re: ]
Dnj Senior Member Registered: 09/21/00 Posts: 43703	Originally Posted By: rosetree Originally Posted By: Fran Carango Roland has brass patches that will match well in todays world..They have some of the best in the expansion card library.. Listen to these ROLAND SRX 10 brass sounds (official demos) - you can't tell if it is a real brass orchestra or samples: https://soundcloud.com/rolandcom/srx-10-...-brass-ensemble https://soundcloud.com/rolandcom/srx-10-...-brass-ensemble https://soundcloud.com/rolandcom/srx-10-...-brass-ensemble aren't these SRX sounds an optional cost to add to their onboard factory sounds G70/BK series arrangers...? vs Yamaha factory Brass sounds already onboard.. Edited by Dnj (10/15/14 01:58 PM)
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#394828 - 10/15/14 02:00 PM Re: Roland Bk9 demo styles....& More [Re: Dnj]
Fran Carango Senior Member Registered: 05/26/99 Posts: 9673 Loc: Levittown, Pa, USA	If Rosetree's posting of Roland's sample library didn't sell you...you are just lost Come on...listen to the demos, without being bull headed Optional for G70 but they are on the BK9.. Edited by Fran Carango (10/15/14 02:01 PM) _________________________ www.francarango.com
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#394831 - 10/15/14 03:54 PM Re: Roland Bk9 demo styles....& More [Re: Dnj]
rosetree Unregistered	I just posted it as a reply to the SRX brass sounds mentioned, to show their outstanding realism. but I fear very few of the SRX 10 are included in the BK-9. I made an analysis of where the BK-9 on-board tones come from (based on the tone names, which is usually a reliable indicator in case of Roland), and as far as I remember a lot are from SRX09 World, but very, very few from other SRX boards. For the Roland FA-06/08, you get the SRX expansion for free as a download. I expected something similar for the BK-9, but Roland hasn't fulfilled their announcement to release expansion sounds for the BK-9 yet. Anyway, IMO you definitely can't say Roland has a general weakness in brass sounds.
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#394832 - 10/15/14 04:26 PM Re: Roland Bk9 demo styles....& More [Re: ]
Dnj Senior Member Registered: 09/21/00 Posts: 43703	Originally Posted By: rosetree Anyway, IMO you definitely can't say Roland has a general weakness in brass sounds. All I am saying as a personal opinion and preference I like Yamaha Brass sounds much better then Roland. On the other hand there are a few Roland sounds I liked better in my Roland units also like the Organs & Leslie, & Piano, E.Pianos, also, The guitars it's Yamaha hands down,...but in the end it's the Whole Package I have to contend with on stage as a pro player and for that reason I use a Yamaha S-950 for now..... Edited by Dnj (10/15/14 04:27 PM)
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#394850 - 10/16/14 08:47 AM Re: Roland Bk9 demo styles....& More [Re: ]
Bachus Senior Member Registered: 03/02/06 Posts: 7143	Originally Posted By: rosetree I just posted it as a reply to the SRX brass sounds mentioned, to show their outstanding realism. but I fear very few of the SRX 10 are included in the BK-9. I made an analysis of where the BK-9 on-board tones come from (based on the tone names, which is usually a reliable indicator in case of Roland), and as far as I remember a lot are from SRX09 World, but very, very few from other SRX boards. For the Roland FA-06/08, you get the SRX expansion for free as a download. I expected something similar for the BK-9, but Roland hasn't fulfilled their announcement to release expansion sounds for the BK-9 yet. Anyway, IMO you definitely can't say Roland has a general weakness in brass sounds. I agree with you, Roland brass sounds have allways been very fat and strong.. Here is an example of Ed Diaz creating an oldfashioned keyboard brass section on the Fa08.. http://youtu.be/7itJHiZdN2Q On the newer Roland instruments, like the jupiter 80 trumpet i linked before, there are the super naturall acoustic brass sounds, and they are the only thing in keyboardland that can rival the sa2 brass sounds of Yamaha.. True, Yamaha might have just a tad more realism, but I think theRoland sounds have ore troughput fattness.. I personally love both the Yamaha aswell as the Roland Brass sounds... _________________________ Yamaha Genos, Roland Jupiter 80, Ipad pro. http://keyszone.boards.net
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