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#394795 - 10/15/14 09:47 AM
Re: Ear Players or Sheet Music Players ?
[Re: MusicalMemories]
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Loc: Port Charlotte,FL,USA
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Some good players playing by ear could outshine the lesser player who can read, and vice verse, but the player who can do both has an advantage, especially, in learning new music. IMHO
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#394805 - 10/15/14 10:27 AM
Re: Ear Players or Sheet Music Players ?
[Re: MusicalMemories]
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Registered: 09/21/00
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Many players for whatever reason are too lazy to memorize songs, lyrics, or have to use the charts as a big crutch,.. that's the first step....but after you memorize or just playing it out of your head by ear then you can ad-lib and play it the way you like instead of the stiff way it's written,....you gotta bring some musical soul into your playing and doing it by ear is a very powerful way to do it, your stage performance and appearance will be better also when you eyes no longer have to be glued to that chart,.......but if your playing with other musicians or in a big band /orchestra, etc, the charts are needed to keep the arrangement and players in sync otherwise it's a free for all..some may call it Jazz and that's ok with a combo of 2,3,4,5 where everyone can play & express their own thing and make it sound great,.. but in bigger player scenarios the charts are a must.
Edited by Dnj (10/15/14 10:47 AM)
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#394816 - 10/15/14 01:32 PM
Re: Ear Players or Sheet Music Players ?
[Re: montunoman]
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Registered: 03/02/06
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I try to do both...
Playing by ear, i can easilly find my right hand parts But recognicing chords, espescially the more advanced ones take me some more time The fun thing is when i play by ear, i easilly memmorise the song When i play from sheet music, its mostly piano style arrangements
Keep in mind, i am far from a professional musician, just a homeplayer trying to have some fun, and playing as good as possible..
The other thing i want to share with you, is that the new keyboard music coarses, like the one my nephews use, try to encourage both, and are meant to develop both at the same time... Sometimes they have excersises that make them replay by ear, while other times they get to improvise and play fee.... The course teaches both left right hand arranger playing, as full keyboard piano arrangements... There is a bit of everything, even the dreaded etudes...
So i leave the opinion whats better to the pros, while cherrishing the tought that kids nowerdays learn both... Where in my good old organ childhood days, we only learned to play from sheetmusic and replay the piece allmost till eternity till we knew the notes from our head..
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#394829 - 10/15/14 03:41 PM
Re: Ear Players or Sheet Music Players ?
[Re: MusicalMemories]
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Registered: 03/02/02
Posts: 1221
Loc: Preston, Lancashire, England
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I'd say ear players tend to get the feel of a tune better than pure readers. However I'm biased, I consider myself fortunate to have pretty good ears and bearable reading ability. If I have to play from music, if it's an arrangement of a tune I know I tend to play what I think it should sound like and use the music as a second line of defence.
An issue I have with a lot of transcriptions Is that they can be inaccurate to a lesser or greater degree. I really noticed this with a book of Elton John songs where the written music was clearly different to the original record. Not usually hugely, but nevertheless different.
Nevertheless, what this music book did was train my ears. I originally bought the book because, like Bachus, I found it hard to "decode" some of the more non-standard chords. As a direct result of playing the music as written, whether I ultimately agreed with the transcription or not, I was playing some interesting chords and inversions (9ths, 11ths, 13ths, flattened / sharpened additional notes, bass not not necessarily having a lot to do with the right hand, etc etc) and now I find there are very few chords that I have problems decoding.
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#394830 - 10/15/14 04:40 PM
Re: Ear Players or Sheet Music Players ?
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Registered: 12/08/02
Posts: 15576
Loc: Forest Hill, MD USA
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I've never been able to conquer the hieroglyphics, but I can read the tabs just fine. Sometimes I need them, sometimes I don't. Cheers, Gary
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#394845 - 10/16/14 09:19 AM
Re: Ear Players or Sheet Music Players ?
[Re: MusicalMemories]
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Registered: 06/25/99
Posts: 16735
Loc: Benton, LA, USA
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Having been a trumpet player, I can read the right hand parts fluently. I can follow the left hand parts if they are simple, but I play left hand chords 100% of the time and let the arranger to the work. Having said this, I rarely read anything anymore; I just listen, find the chords, and improvise. I can hear melody lines and most of the time play them without much struggle, particularly in the keys where I am most comfortable--C,F,G,D,A,Bb,E--in that order. One of those keys will suit my vocal range on any song I want to do. If not, push the transpose button. In think "playing by ear" is somewhat a misnomer. What most of us do is understand the chord structure and the way the chords and lead/fills interact.
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#394892 - 10/17/14 06:38 AM
Re: Ear Players or Sheet Music Players ?
[Re: montunoman]
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Registered: 09/24/02
Posts: 581
Loc: Raleigh, NC
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Like a lot who have written here, I do some of both. I learned to read "reasonably well" as a kid, and use that to help learn new songs. I also had a habit, for many years as a kid (even into college age) of "playing along with the radio", that is, listening to various stations and trying to play along "by ear" - I did a LOT of this years ago, and I think it helped my 'ear' quite a bit.
These days, I tend to learn new songs best by hearing them (esp. good is hearing various renditions and not just one), and if I have a "fake sheet" (or full score), the listening plus having chords/melody, makes learning that much faster.
I find that I may have a chart up (on my iPad) but for many songs I'm playing say ~90% by ear/memory; the chart is just there as a guide to the overall arrangement and I look at it now and then but not constantly.
I do find that I've become, as some people say, "lazier" in that I rely on charts more now (at 55 years old) than I did a decade or two ago. One reason is that I have ~1,200 songs in my repertoire, and I just can't remember the overall arrangement and some details, for all of them. So these days, there are maybe ~200 songs that I can play from memory, but for the rest I need the chart just to get me started, or to help with some chords I might forget.
I've also noticed that my (5pc) band likes having charts available for more tunes, whereas years ago we had no charts on stage. Just our aging brains, I guess! :-)
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