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#395880 - 11/14/14 12:43 AM
Re: Additional Small PA system
[Re: musicforyourday]
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#395885 - 11/14/14 07:45 AM
Re: Additional Small PA system
[Re: musicforyourday]
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Registered: 11/24/99
Posts: 1675
Loc: Milford, CT, USA
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First thing is you are comparing two different types of systems, the Bose/LD Maui/RCF Evox. are your "Portable Line array"
The HK Nano 300/600, are more of the conventional speaker design.
Benefits of the line array design, is less drop off of volume as the distance from the speaker increases, and the physics of line arrays allow for a much bigger sweet spot, thus eliminated the hot spots. But because of this, you tend to lose the impact presence a conventional pa design gives.
But if you look at any venue that has invested into their sound systems, broadway theaters, outside amphitheaters, live sound venues, you will almost always see a line array set-up. Because of the dispersion of sound is much more controlled and spread out.
The difference here is that we all play in different environments, so each speaker system will not always be the best for that situation, but these systems we are looking at are the best at what they do, and you will not be dissatisfied which whatever you use.
The last variable is the size of the room, amount of people, type of music being played, amount of bass wanted/needed, and the volume to be played at.
This is why let's say a Bose compact, or LD Maui 11, or HK nano 300. are very similar for smaller gigs. But move to a bigger room or more people, you might find yourself running out of gas with these systems. Simple solution, get another, or start off with the bigger versions of these, and just turn it down at the smaller gigs.
In a few weeks I possible will be having a small demonstration at my store, which will include
Ketron Audya 4,5, midjay pro
Yamaha Tyros 5
Roland Bk9
Korg PA series
playing through
LD Maui 11,28,44
HK Elements
HK Nano 300, possibly 600
RCF Evox
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#395887 - 11/14/14 07:59 AM
Re: Additional Small PA system
[Re: frankieve]
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Registered: 09/21/00
Posts: 43703
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First thing is you are comparing two different types of systems, the Bose/LD Maui/RCF Evox. are your "Portable Line array"
The HK Nano 300/600, are more of the conventional speaker design.
Benefits of the line array design, is less drop off of volume as the distance from the speaker increases, and the physics of line arrays allow for a much bigger sweet spot, thus eliminated the hot spots. But because of this, you tend to lose the impact presence a conventional pa design gives.
But if you look at any venue that has invested into their sound systems, broadway theaters, outside amphitheaters, live sound venues, you will almost always see a line array set-up. Because of the dispersion of sound is much more controlled and spread out.
The difference here is that we all play in different environments, so each speaker system will not always be the best for that situation, but these systems we are looking at are the best at what they do, and you will not be dissatisfied which whatever you use.
The last variable is the size of the room, amount of people, type of music being played, amount of bass wanted/needed, and the volume to be played at.
This is why let's say a Bose compact, or LD Maui 11, or HK nano 300. are very similar for smaller gigs. But move to a bigger room or more people, you might find yourself running out of gas with these systems. Simple solution, get another, or start off with the bigger versions of these, and just turn it down at the smaller gigs.
In a few weeks I possible will be having a small demonstration at my store, which will include
Ketron Audya 4,5, midjay pro
Yamaha Tyros 5
Roland Bk9
Korg PA series
playing through
LD Maui 11,28,44
HK Elements
HK Nano 300, possibly 600
RCF Evox Frank all very valid points on speaker systems..... being the very busy Holiday Gig Season is almost upon us would that demo at your store possibly be in January sometime when it's slower gig wise for many of us pro players?.....I would love to try to get there to CT for sure..... please let us know dates when you decide. "ROAD TRIP"
Edited by Dnj (11/14/14 08:00 AM)
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#395888 - 11/14/14 08:33 AM
Re: Additional Small PA system
[Re: musicforyourday]
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Registered: 12/08/02
Posts: 15576
Loc: Forest Hill, MD USA
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The only way I would get to see this in January is if Frankie was bringing the gear to the Florida Keys. Think about it, Frankie. Palm trees swaying in warm, tropical breezes, setting up in a Tiki Hut, scantily clad young girls dancing to the music and AJ demoing his keyboards and singing Jimmy Buffett songs. BTW: AJ is a great singer as well as a great musician. Good Luck, Gary 
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#395934 - 11/14/14 05:15 PM
Re: Additional Small PA system
[Re: musicforyourday]
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Registered: 12/08/02
Posts: 15576
Loc: Forest Hill, MD USA
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Actually, the single Bose Compact does allow this. You can fire the outputs of the Tyros through the RCA input, or the 1/8-inch stereo input. It's still mono coming out, though. And, yes, it is just your imagination, but that's OK. My wife told me the mind was the second thing to go - I don't remember what the first thing was.  Gary
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#395937 - 11/14/14 06:25 PM
Re: Additional Small PA system
[Re: guitpic1]
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Registered: 07/27/05
Posts: 10606
Loc: Cape Breton Island, Canada
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It's probably not that big a deal, but I can hear the difference when only one output is going to a single Compact vs. running two Compacts. The stereo just seems bigger..maybe my imagination.
Nope, it's definitely not your imagination. It is a well known fact that Yamaha arrangers do not collapse well to mono. Yes, they will play in mono, but mostly all of the samples, the stereo effects (delays, chorus rotary spkr) and the voices/drums in the styles sound at their very best when played through a stereo system. I've used Bose, and can vouch for your findings. I used a pair of Standard L1 (not the Compacts) with both a PSR-S910 and a Tyros3 for an entire summer of concert work, and the difference between using one (mono) and two (stereo) was quite substantial to my ears, and those of my listeners as well. A Bose system in stereo far outperforms any other stereo system I've used...not only is the coverage far superior, but the stereo separation is evident at a much further distance than a regular system. If you sweat the details at all, like I do, you will prefer the Yamaha in stereo. Of course, if you're old and/or your hearing is shot, or, you can live with the sound being compromised to more than a fair degree, then using any speaker system in mono would probably be okay. I experimented with one and two Bose, and after hearing the Bose in stereo, I could not go back to mono...everything sounded flat and one-dimensional in the latter, and, although I suppose one could force themselves to get used to it, perhaps to save money or shorten set-up/break-down time, I just couldn't live with it on any level. Ian PS...just as an added note...when I was demoing arrangers for Yamaha, they were explicit in their instructions that I use a stereo sound system, even if it meant using one from another brand.
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#395957 - 11/15/14 11:00 AM
Re: Additional Small PA system
[Re: musicforyourday]
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Registered: 09/23/05
Posts: 1002
Loc: Phila. 'burbs, Pa. USA
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I regularly use the Compact on most gigs and always carry a Barbetta in the van. I had a couple of different back to back gigs a couple of weeks ago and didn’t really want to take the L1 B1 stuff. So, I asked on the Bose forum if anyone had ever daisy chained the Compact with an amp similar to the Barbetta. Response was ‘no problem’. Here is my after gig post;
“I was amazed … the gig was a dinner with seating for 300, in a building that was built in 1917 - lots of concrete - and the acoustics were much like the dreaded school gym. I set up early, and thought that while I had the time, I would do a sound check with only the Compact. I’ve never had occasion to set the volume past 12:00 o’clock, but for the check, I set it about 1 o’clock. I turned the bass and reverb down. The compact filled the room and I didn’t set up the Barbetta, just used the Compact, only, for the whole gig. I was concerned about the sound and asked servers and guests several times about it and all said it sounded great. The only drawback – I set up the compact up as I always do, just to my right and a little behind, now it may take a couple of days for my ears to stop ringing.
Ciao,
Jerry”
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#396003 - 11/17/14 10:55 AM
Re: Additional Small PA system
[Re: musicforyourday]
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