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#395891 - 11/14/14 09:43 AM
Re: Reality check!
[Re: Taike]
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Registered: 12/08/02
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A class act indeed, but those additional instruments, especially the bass, make a huge difference in the presentation of the song. Keep in mind that Willie Nelson is probably among the most talented composer/song writers on the planet, but he's probably only an average musician when it comes to guitar playing and piano playing. Without his drummer, bass player, steel player, etc..., those songs would not have gone very far. IMO, the same scenario holds true for an arranger keyboard. What makes us so popular is we essentially incorporate a 5-piece band with every song we perform. It's not just us with a guitar in our hands, or a piano at our fingertips. Sure, we can still entertain folks using a single instrument, but I believe that when using a single instrument, we tend to loose our ability to diversify, and diversity is what an arranger provides more than any single instrument. I can do a great job playing and singing Misty, and when that song ends, I can hit a single button, and a half second later be performing Old Time Rock & Roll. Even Jerry Lee had a backup band. Cheers, Gary 
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#396080 - 11/18/14 03:03 PM
Re: Reality check!
[Re: Taike]
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Registered: 07/27/05
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I tend to agree with Tony...the bass and drums didn't add all that much to that particular arrangement...but, they were there none the less...I was hoping that Garner would have played it totally solo.
On the subject of bass and drums in an arrangement, I could listen to a piece played without drums (and just the added bass) but not to one without the bass (and just drums with the solo instrument).
Bass, to me, adds that "foundation" (literally) and movement to a tune better than drums only, even with a good kick drum, mainly because the latter doesn't actually play other notes other than what the bass drum is tuned to.
Ian
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#396084 - 11/18/14 05:11 PM
Re: Reality check!
[Re: Taike]
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#396092 - 11/18/14 07:18 PM
Re: Reality check!
[Re: tony mads usa]
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Registered: 07/27/05
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Loc: Cape Breton Island, Canada
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I was hoping that Garner would have played it totally solo. Ian I couldn't find a version of him playing it solo ... Ian, I agree about the bass alone vs. drums alone ... I think the drums alone only works if the pianist has a strong left hand ... I also feel even the strong left hand (piano) with drums is still not as pleasingly smoothly blended as a bass (especially acoustic upright) as the piano bass tends to sound a bit too harmonically complex for my ears. The string bass seems to be sonically more appropriate. Tony, this tune has always been on my must play list, along with As Time Goes By and Somewhere Over the Rainbow...they seem to be loved and recognized by a broader age range of listeners than most tunes, especially if you are playing only instrumentals. "All the Things You Are" is another one that seems to fit in with the above. They are all so rewarding to play. Ian
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#396098 - 11/18/14 09:56 PM
Re: Reality check!
[Re: Taike]
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Registered: 07/27/05
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Loc: Cape Breton Island, Canada
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To realize just how important bass is, I sometimes switch off the drums while playing a style and it still works pretty good (you could probably still dance to it) but if I leave the drums on and switch off the bass, the style seems to lose direction pretty quickly.
I love starting out a tune with a style, first with both bass and drums turned off, bringing in first bass and then drums as it progresses. In fact some of my styles are edited to accomplish just that...usually the first variation being without the drums (or both bass and drums) with the subsequent variations adding them.
Of course, some players accomplish the same thing using Registration Memories.
Ian
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