Here's an interesting question I was asked the other day...
How do you type in the Lyrics on a midi file that you have made on the KN7000?
Come to that is there a great web site that primarily provides midi files with the Lyrics in place?

in any number of pc programs, cubase, cakewalk, midi connections, powertracks, gn midi, keysoft lyrics editor, sibelius, finale, noteworthy, etc etc.

"Come to that is there a great web site that primarily provides midi files with the Lyrics in place?[/B][/QUOTE]"

Hi Roger
To answer the last part of your question, one site you might like to try is: [URL=http://www.aitech.ac.jp/~ckelly/midi/help/midi-search.html.] Use the Van Basco search which will also give you the option to select only midi files with lyrics.
John


[This message has been edited by John North (edited 03-26-2003).]

karaoke files have a different lyrics format to midi and generally will need converting in a program such as gn midi or the Andy Gittings converter before the lyrics will show in the screen.

Thanks very much chaps - now all I've got to do is remember who asked me the question!!!
Certainly it's a challenge to look at the words on the display screen as well as reading the sheet music 12 to 15 inches higher - do think I'll get a vertical version of tennis watchers twitch....
Cheers
Roger M

While on the subject of Lyrics, maybe Alec can explain how to add lyrics to a Technics Sequence. Although the Sequencer Play screen shows a lyrics function, there is no mention of this in either the manual or the new book! (unless I am mistaken).
Mike O'R

4.12 tells you the answer. If midi can be loaded as technics with lyrics, then technics can be saved as midi, lyrics added in an external program, then saved as technics again.

However with all the extremely clear and detailed instructions and multiple score and leadsheet demonstrations of slideshows in the new book, it does not take a great leap of imagination to realise that this is yet another valid method of displaying lyrics.

In fact, in exchange the small sacrifice of word highlights, you gain an enormously easier overall process with a huge saving in time and effort, requiring only the most basic graphic program rather than a specialist pc sequencer, having the entire screen available for display in the largest fonts you should wish to create, and there is nothing to stop you displaying score, chords AND lyrics in a slideshow.

There is no such thing as an unusual keyboard, and the reason you have been able to rename kar files as mid and see the lyrics in the kn screen may be because your kar files either happened to have both formats programmed in the first place or maybe started out as midi files renamed to kar.

I have thousands of kar files. They have lyrics embedded in track 2 as general purpose text meta events, the original specification. The kn reads standard tune 1000 format lyrics which are embedded in track 1 as true lyric meta events, a different format.

Many sequencer programs allow conversion between the two standards for this very reason. Thus it is just incomplete information to say that all kar file lyrics can be displayed in the kn screen just by renaming to mid, since only some will.

This becomes apparent from a wider experience of actual experimentation and the necessary good understanding of theory

I must be thick - neither your answer (above) nor para 4.12 of your book gives the answer to my original question "Can lyrics be added to a Technics sequencer file?"
BTW, I HAD realised that slide-show could be used to display scores and lyrics, but I am sure that many owners don't realise this, so it might be a good idea to elaborate a little.
Mike O'R

Peter:

Your original proposition was that simply renaming kar files as mid would enable the lyrics to be seen in the kn screen. If this is so, can you explain how come I have several thousand kar files for which this does not work?

Could it be that getting personal is a tactic to try and divert attention away from the fact that you are quite unable to provide an answer to this question?

With no answer forthcoming from you it would seem to me that claiming to know more about a subject remains rather in the realms of fantasy when it is so simple to demonstrate that your assertion does not work for all kar files.

I have never claimed anywhere to know everything, neither do I force my opinions on anyone. These are your inventions to try and hide the fact that your assertion as a universal truth was just plain wrong.

best regards,

Mike:

let's take it step by step.

The key fact is plainly stated in 4.12 namely that you can load midi files as nx technics sequences, save them as technics sequencer files and the lyrics play back fine from technics files.

we have only just discussed here how lyrics can be added to midi files using a variety of external programs.

by now we should know it is possible to save sequences as midi files because this has already been described in 3.39; therefore it should be possible to save a midi file from the kn sequencer, add lyrics in an external program, then load and save as a technics sequence again.

Of course it may help you to comprehend a bit further in your search for knowlegde if you actually knew who wrote the manual in the first place.

I have about a 1000 lead sheets scanned and organised in my laptop in a Paperport program. I thought, in view of this thread, to load lead sheets that were associated with 7000 songs saved on SD from various members.
I saved the scan as .jpg and .bmp and using the procedure outlined in 3.75, loaded to floppy. With both formats, an error message came up that the format was not combatable with the 7000.

I used fairly high compression and the size was about 30kb.

Now what ? Maybe something is encryped into the Paperport program that Technics doesn't like,but, I thought these formats were universal.

Bernie

Hi chaps
I guess if we were all sitting together around a KN7000 with Alec (TechnicsPlayer) Pagida taking us through it step by step then we'd all have grasped it in the end...
Oh the limitations of e-mail type communication eh - we can't see one anothers faces - read their expressions - feel their emotions and know when they are getting frustrated because they can't understand what is in this instance quite a complicated concept...although no doubt very simple to achieve if you know what you're doing eh Alec...
Still keep plugging everybody cos I'm learning all the while; although I must admit to not quite understanding yet why a midi file needs to suddenly become beneficially an NX file - what does that do for it I wonder - sorry Alec but I'll keep reading and trying to understand.
Best wishes
Roger M

Bernie:

yes, it should be universal if no fancy encoding settings are hidden away in the menus. Did you (cut and) resize to 640 x 240 (3.77)?

Roger:

In this thread I'm beginning to feel like one of those guy's playing several chess games at the same time!

There are a multitude of answers depending on what you want to achieve. Basically, anything you can do in a midi file on the 7k you can do in a NX file, it's just you can do far more and better in an NX file.

So for the sacrifice of the universal format which will load in your friends yamaha, you can get far better voices and effects on your 7k, something that your friend tries on his yamaha with XG format. The difference in this case is that your friend can't play back NX on his yamaha whereas you can play back XG on your 7k.

Alec,
You still don't get it! If I follow the procedure you advocate, I finish up with an "emasculated" Technics sequence (with the accomp and style truncated or missing altogether). Why does the production of a MIDI file on Technics keyboards have to be such a palaver! My KETRON produces a FULL MIDI file, complete with accomp and styles, with no trouble at all!

Alec
No, I thought I didn,t get that far. I will try different size scan(small)on different songs. If printed, the song would be 8 1/2x11. I might have to try and export it to an editor and resize if you think that might be the problem. I will try different scans .

Thanks
Bernie

Alec
I resized to 640x240.It took the picture,went through the procedure,saved whole thing to disk, reloaded and it played fine, but,a picture of trees and sky came up on the screen, not my scan.

That's okay as I don't think it will work for my purposes any way. With only one screen, I either look at the music or the main screen, and two screens are preferable.

well that's just a different question which is immaterial because can be entirley avoided for this particular scenario.

If you specify your problem exactly in the first place I'm able to give an exact working answer. If you ask generalisations, I can only reply with the general steps towards an answer. If then you come back with further information we can move towards an answer.

From your description now it would seem you wish to add lyrics to an easy record sequence, rather than a technics multitrack, or an apc to smf conversion.

There are various ways to achieve your aim; here is one suggestion that will preserve the easy record sequence with the absolute minimum effort required to achieve the aim of adding lyrics, following the general steps already described, and entirley avoiding any requirement to convert the easy record to smf format:

Copy the song to song 2 in the sequencer.
Delete all tracks except track 1 and save song 2 as a nx midi.
Add lyrics to song 2 in your favoured program, save as a midi and then load as a nx single song back to song 2 in the sequencer where your easy record still sits in song 1.
Ensuring that the track assignments in song 2 exactly match those in song 1, copy tracks 2 to 6 from song 1 to song 2.

There may be many variables of controller events that may have been saved with the midi which result in a different backing sound in terms or reverb etc. This is easily rectified by saving the initial conditions of song 1 in a panel memory, selecting song 2, bringing back the panel memory conditions and panel writing them permanently to the new lyrics song.

Song 2 is now a perfect rendition of your easy record with lyrics.

Bernie: well done!

you are well on your way; just left out the step of selecting user picture rather than preset when attaching to the control track (3.79 no 2).

you will need to cut and paste A4 into 640 x 240 chunks in a photo editor for scores, each containing 2, 3 or 4 staves according to what remains clear in the screen.

Tell you what though Alec - it's clearly a subject of considerable interest and complexity...
I wonder if there is all this interest because the sheet music stand is that much higher/further away from the keys and maybe it seems potentially easier to have the data you need in order to read/play/sing a piece of music, on the screen very close to the keys.
Or is it just because new technology is making it possible - thanks for the explanation about NX by the way which means that I'll convert to NX from GM2 in future.
Cheers
Roger M

Well Roger, I suppose you watch the demos and see what you think. At the very least there are no pages to turn, and no wondering what comes up next because you always have a future view!

Now why didn't you say that before - it answers my original question. Now about my second one. . . . . .

Oh but I did, Mike.

Several times.