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#40331 - 01/28/02 02:03 PM
Re: Musical arrangements on the KN 6500
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Registered: 01/16/02
Posts: 2330
Loc: North Yorkshire UK
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Hi Ted, No such thing as a dumb query! Well, not on this forum anyway ! I'm not suggesting that this is the only answer to your 'problem' but it is what I do when I want to play a new song or tune. First I find what I think is a suitable Style - Rhythm, Tempo and enabling or disabling some of the Accompaniment voices. I then balance the various parts of the accompaniment to my liking and store in the 8 panel memories. If I wish to change the style variations, or even the particular style, as I select the panel memories, then I enable 'Rhythm' change in the Expanded section of the panel memory control, and store the rhythm style and/or variation, in the particular panel memories. So that takes care of the 'Backing'. I then think about which voices combinations may suit the particular tune or song - for R1, R2 and if used Left. I just try all sorts of different variations and when I find one I like, I just store it in panel memory 1. Then I try another setup and when happy, store it in panel memory 2 and so on. When I've got a suitable selection of sounds, maybe all 8 panel memories or just a few, I just store the whole setup to disc naming the file as the name of the song or tune. I don't know if you have a hard disc on your KN but it makes life so easy to recover the song files. Using just floppies, it's not so easy, not only because of access time but also the limitation imposed on the number of characters in the filename. I stand to be corrected here, but I don't think you can edit the voices or any other parameters in the 'One Touch' settings. You can however select a particular set-up from One Touch and then save it in a panel memory and having done that, then 'tweak' it to your liking and save it back into panel memory. I'm sure you will get some more suggestions from some of our other friends in the forum. Hope you find my suggestions useful.
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[This message has been edited by Bill Norrie (edited 01-28-2002).]
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After silence, that which comes nearest to expressing the inexpressible is Music. Aldous Huxley ( especially when the music is played on a KN7000....)
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#40334 - 01/28/02 09:54 PM
Re: Musical arrangements on the KN 6500
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Registered: 01/16/02
Posts: 71
Loc: Calimesa, Ca, USA
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Hi Ted, Like Bill said, there are no dumb questions here. The ones that are not asked are the dumb ones. I have a KN 6000 upgraded to 6500. If I understand you correctly, you want to know which instruments go with each other? If that is the case, try this set-up for strings. R-1-sympthony strings, R-2-octave strings, L-symp stgs. Go to Programs, Sounds, Part Settings. On R-1-up 1 octave, R-2-down 1 octave, L-0. Part 1-symp stgs.,Part-2-Bright Strings (EWO1 sound card),Part-3-dreamy strings, Part4-same as R-1, symp. strings. I pan all parts to center. Go to multi and dsp and scroll down to exciter an set on exciter 2 (the exciter setting also works well with voices, choir,etc - give a breathy tone), go to Techni-cord and set on Big Band Reeds and with Techni-cord set on Part 4 instead of Conductor. Volume on part 4 - 105-110, all others 100. R-l,R-2and L adjust volumes to your likeing. Hope this is what you had in mind, if so then we can get onto other instruments and maybe set-ups that others on the forum use. Have Fun. Best Regards, Dave Shively E-mail: nanshiv@aol.com
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#40336 - 01/29/02 08:53 AM
Re: Musical arrangements on the KN 6500
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Registered: 01/16/02
Posts: 14376
Loc: East Greenwich RI USA
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Ted...... I'm not sure what type of music you prefer. I have a pretty eclectic range myself, falling short of the popular stuff they give out "music" awards for nowadays, but depending on the venue, or when I'm taking some 'quiet' time at home, I prefer jazz ballads or great American standards played in a jazz style. One of the settings I particularly like is R1=grand piano, R2= Vibes&Guitar, with technichord set to 'Block'. I generally have piano or a lite organ voice on the left hand (using 'Fingered'). Use this with Alec's 'Shearing Ballad' (I think that's the correct name, Alec?) or the jazz ballad style (I haven't heard the kn65, so I'm not sure of the name). I really like the full, rich sound this provides. Used it one night with a sax player I worked with regularly a number of years ago, and he was blown away by it..... but again, all a matter of taste ...... t. PS: Alec's styles can be found at Gunnar's site, or Walt Tenay's site..... Keep making beautiful music.... t.
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#40338 - 01/29/02 10:32 PM
Re: Musical arrangements on the KN 6500
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Registered: 01/16/02
Posts: 515
Loc: United States
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Thanks, Bill. I sure will try your suggestions! Thanks a lot. Ted Originally posted by Bill Norrie: Hi Ted, No such thing as a dumb query! Well, not on this forum anyway ! I'm not suggesting that this is the only answer to your 'problem' but it is what I do when I want to play a new song or tune. First I find what I think is a suitable Style - Rhythm, Tempo and enabling or disabling some of the Accompaniment voices. I then balance the various parts of the accompaniment to my liking and store in the 8 panel memories. If I wish to change the style variations, or even the particular style, as I select the panel memories, then I enable 'Rhythm' change in the Expanded section of the panel memory control, and store the rhythm style and/or variation, in the particular panel memories. So that takes care of the 'Backing'. I then think about which voices combinations may suit the particular tune or song - for R1, R2 and if used Left. I just try all sorts of different variations and when I find one I like, I just store it in panel memory 1. Then I try another setup and when happy, store it in panel memory 2 and so on. When I've got a suitable selection of sounds, maybe all 8 panel memories or just a few, I just store the whole setup to disc naming the file as the name of the song or tune. I don't know if you have a hard disc on your KN but it makes life so easy to recover the song files. Using just floppies, it's not so easy, not only because of access time but also the limitation imposed on the number of characters in the filename. I stand to be corrected here, but I don't think you can edit the voices or any other parameters in the 'One Touch' settings. You can however select a particular set-up from One Touch and then save it in a panel memory and having done that, then 'tweak' it to your liking and save it back into panel memory. I'm sure you will get some more suggestions from some of our other friends in the forum. Hope you find my suggestions useful.
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#40340 - 01/29/02 10:35 PM
Re: Musical arrangements on the KN 6500
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Registered: 01/16/02
Posts: 515
Loc: United States
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Great suggestions, Dave. Thanks a lot! Ted Originally posted by Dave Shively: Hi Ted, Like Bill said, there are no dumb questions here. The ones that are not asked are the dumb ones. I have a KN 6000 upgraded to 6500. If I understand you correctly, you want to know which instruments go with each other? If that is the case, try this set-up for strings. R-1-sympthony strings, R-2-octave strings, L-symp stgs. Go to Programs, Sounds, Part Settings. On R-1-up 1 octave, R-2-down 1 octave, L-0. Part 1-symp stgs.,Part-2-Bright Strings (EWO1 sound card),Part-3-dreamy strings, Part4-same as R-1, symp. strings. I pan all parts to center. Go to multi and dsp and scroll down to exciter an set on exciter 2 (the exciter setting also works well with voices, choir,etc - give a breathy tone), go to Techni-cord and set on Big Band Reeds and with Techni-cord set on Part 4 instead of Conductor. Volume on part 4 - 105-110, all others 100. R-l,R-2and L adjust volumes to your likeing. Hope this is what you had in mind, if so then we can get onto other instruments and maybe set-ups that others on the forum use. Have Fun. Best Regards, Dave Shively E-mail: nanshiv@aol.com
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#40342 - 02/08/02 12:06 PM
Re: Musical arrangements on the KN 6500
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Registered: 01/17/02
Posts: 403
Loc: United Kingdom
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This is for Dave, Tony, and Bill. I'm a very happy camper right now. Had to break away from the keyboard to write this but I wanted to tell you that I tried your string setup, Dave, and your Shearing sound, Tony, and they sound great as far as I am concerned. I learned a great deal about part setting, multi, and DSP from your instructions, Dave. Bill, your suggested approach for selecting rhythms/voices when arranging a song makes a lot of sense and I will adopt it as my way forward from now on. Gonna run now. Gotta get back to the keyboard and play some tunes using the new sound setups (and experiment with some of my own!)My thanks to all three of you.
Warm Regards, Chuck Piper
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