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#403389 - 06/13/15 06:37 AM
The CAT..........................
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Registered: 09/21/00
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#403449 - 06/15/15 06:47 AM
Re: The CAT..........................
[Re: Bill Lewis]
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Registered: 09/29/05
Posts: 6703
Loc: Roswell,GA/USA
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It's a different musical world. That it is. But in truth, a number of factors contributed to the demise of GOOD live bands in clubs, especially the jazz organ based trios/quartets. 1. Only 'Superstars' who can afford roadies are willing to carry a B3 and several Leslies around from venue to venue. 2. Few clubs, especially jazz clubs, are able or willing to pay for these groups on a regular basis. 3. The classic "Jazz organ trio/quartet" of the 60's, 70's, and early 80's, was NEVER that popular except in predominantly Black, jazz-oriented, clubs and even then, only in certain cities like San Francisco, Philadelphia, and Atlantic City. New York seemed to lean more towards traditional (progressive) jazz groups (think Miles, Parker, etc.). In Atlantic City alone during the mid 60's, on any given weekend during the summer, you could hear Wild Bill Davis, 'Brother' Jack McDuff, Don Patterson, Jimmy McGriff, Johnny 'Hammond' Smith, and many other stand-out players (including several White players whose names escape me at the moment) of that era. Asking to 'sit in' was common and was usually just a way of trying to 'gorilla the gig' from the existing group, but produced some 'insane' performances. But I digress...... 4. The waning popularity of these groups had the usual effect of producing fewer and fewer quality jazz organists. Most of the current lineup of great players, ie. Tony Monaco, Joey Defrancesco, etc. consider themselves to be 'Torch Bearers', trying to keep that art form alive, and are quick to pay tribute to the 'old masters', especially Jimmy Smith. Whether their efforts will produce a new generation of jazz organist remains to be seen. Let's hope so. 5. Fewer and fewer well-maintained, quality I B3's remain and fewer still technicians to maintain them. Although there are many capable 'Clonewheels' available, none seem to have the 'panache' of the real thing; plus, a new Hammond B3 Mk 11 costs about $25k. But even with the more affordable models, few of todays keyboardist are willing to spring for a dedicated clone, especially if they need additional non-organ sounds. So, enjoy the performances like the one posted. You probably won't be able to see them much longer. Sad. chas
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#403458 - 06/15/15 10:50 AM
Re: The CAT..........................
[Re: Dnj]
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Registered: 01/02/04
Posts: 7305
Loc: Lexington, Ky, USA
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Chas, I have a little M...not M-3, but M. That's the organ Booker T recorded all his tunes on. This one was purchased in 1950 new.
It's worth nothing. I got it when a little lady who has been coming to hear me for 30 years seemed off her game. Turns out, she was going to be moved to an assisted living home.
She still had her dad's old M. She wanted me to buy it to give it a good home. It was in good shape (not working, but fixable) but not worth anything.
To please her, I gave her $200.00 and went with my son to get it. We couldn't get it down the stairs so we hired a piano moving company...another $250.00.
My technician came over to add oil, and found out that the generator motor was shot...another $495.00.
I'm now about $945.00 into an instrument worth tons in memories...sounds good, but worth, you guessed it....NOTHING!
You're welcome to it! FREE! Just bring a truck, and I help load it!
Look up the little M.... a few drawbars...that's it!
Be well!
Russ (Booker T wannabe) Lay
Edited by captain Russ (06/15/15 10:52 AM)
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#403468 - 06/15/15 12:31 PM
Re: The CAT..........................
[Re: captain Russ]
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Registered: 09/29/05
Posts: 6703
Loc: Roswell,GA/USA
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You're welcome to it! FREE! Just bring a truck, and I help load it!
Russ, that's really generous of you but at this stage of my life, I've decided not add a single other keyboard, not even a Melodica . If, no...WHEN, I downsize, I may get rid of everything and just put a cherry b3/122 and a small quality Grand piano in my living room and that's it. Even today, I only play my KeyB organ anymore. But again, thanks for the offer. If I were just 10 years younger..... chas
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#403475 - 06/15/15 01:32 PM
Re: The CAT..........................
[Re: Dnj]
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Registered: 07/27/05
Posts: 10606
Loc: Cape Breton Island, Canada
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I used an M-3 (with a Leslie 147RV) for quite a while...it was the usual spinet style with the shorter pedal board, drawbars for the two 44 note staggered manuals, and no presets whatsoever. It was, however a great little organ with the same sound as it's bigger brother, the B-3 and a really superb chorus/vibrato.
It has all the essentials for organ work, including harmonic percussion, although the shorter keyboards and one octave pedal board were sometimes a disadvantage. Still, the keyboards were beautifully made and very responsive.
It was also considerably lighter than a B-3.
One of it's close kin, the M-102, was used by Matthew Fisher (Procul Harum) to record the enduring rock classic, A Whiter Shade Of Pale, so these instruments did have that legendary Hammond sound.
Ian
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#403480 - 06/15/15 02:17 PM
Re: The CAT..........................
[Re: ianmcnll]
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Registered: 01/01/09
Posts: 2195
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I used an M-3 (with a Leslie 147RV) for quite a while...it was the usual spinet style with the shorter pedal board, drawbars for the two 44 note staggered manuals, and no presets whatsoever. It was, however a great little organ with the same sound as it's bigger brother, the B-3 and a really superb chorus/vibrato.
It has all the essentials for organ work, including harmonic percussion, although the shorter keyboards and one octave pedal board were sometimes a disadvantage. Still, the keyboards were beautifully made and very responsive.
It was also considerably lighter than a B-3.
One of it's close kin, the M-102, was used by Matthew Fisher (Procul Harum) to record the enduring rock classic, A Whiter Shade Of Pale, so these instruments did have that legendary Hammond sound.
Ian For sure, Ian. That old M102 I had was built like a tank. Originally, I had an L102 and, as nice a condition it was in, I traded it straight across for the M. How it came about was we were booked into this seafront pub in Southend and this banged up M102 was just sitting under a sheet at the back of the stage. So I asked the landlord if he'd be interested in a straight swap for my immaculate L102. He said yes, and We drove away with the M that night. One trick I used to like with the M was having the 2nd percussion tab down and then just easing down on the 3rd tab. It would put a lovely 'scream' into the percussion.
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