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#403572 - 06/17/15 06:43 AM
Re: NEW KETRON SD7 Owners Please post REVIEWS HERE...
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#403618 - 06/17/15 03:22 PM
Re: NEW KETRON SD7 Owners Please post REVIEWS HERE...
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#403646 - 06/18/15 07:24 AM
Re: NEW KETRON SD7 Owners Please post REVIEWS HERE...
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#403647 - 06/18/15 07:40 AM
Re: NEW KETRON SD7 Owners Please post REVIEWS HERE...
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#403665 - 06/18/15 10:12 AM
Re: NEW KETRON SD7 Owners Please post REVIEWS HERE...
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Don, I will try to record something later with vocal harmony. May not be today. I think it is at least as good as the TC Helicon in my PA900. Guys, I'm liking it a lot better than I did yesterday, as I get it tweaked a little. By that, I mean setting up some registrations mostly, getting it to remember what I want, loading some of my old custom styles in, etc. Basically, the Registrations save everything. But you just tell it what parameters to recall when you load. Pretty much like everyone else does it, but the big touch screen and much improved operating system makes it really easy.
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#403668 - 06/18/15 11:24 AM
Re: NEW KETRON SD7 Owners Please post REVIEWS HERE...
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Thanks Don, I realize everybody is bombarding you with questions... But how do compare it, sound wise and style wise, to Roland BK9? Drums, particularly...?
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#403710 - 06/19/15 11:44 AM
Re: NEW KETRON SD7 Owners Please post REVIEWS HERE...
[Re: DonM]
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I took the SD7 to the job. Had to use a different stand and the one I took didn't have lights illuminating the kb. That is a MUST with the SD7 because you have black buttons on black background and not many of them light up. I had to Cajun-engineer a light so I could see what buttons I was pushing! I haven't listened to much of the recordings yet, so don't know if I had balances and levels totally correct, but it sounded really good to me and I got lots of good feedback from audience.
List of stuff to address before tomorrow night, or at least before too long: *Take light. *Take some style parts out of certain styles, and change a few drum kits. Take out some claps. I hate claps. *Find out how to play all MP3s in a folder, for breaks. *Find out how to associate text files with Registrations. *Change a few more OTS settings. It's quick and easy to do! *I'll be making more Registrations for months. *Tweak vocal harmonizer settings. *Find out how to change and save Second Voice. *Find out if there are more chord fingering options that I'm not seeing. I want the one that only changes key when you hit three notes at the same time--below the split. *I'm have a 6-button foot switch. I'm using #1 for Vocal Harmony on/off. Number 6 is for Break. I need to figure out what to assign to the other four. You can assign almost any parameter or task to a switch. I will probably use one for text scroll, one for glide, maybe one to bring in Second Voice. *I'm sure there is much more!
Good things: Great sound. Great key touch and feel. Touch screen works really well. I played a midi file. It sounded great.
I'm too tired to do anything now but sleep til 10 a.m. or so! My first impression is that the keyboard will be a keeper for me.
By exploring the manual, I have found how to associate text files with Registrations. I have found how to change and store Second Voice (and other layers if needed. I have found how to play all files in a folder. I will have to wait until I get the keyboard in front of me to actually employ these functions, and address some of the other issues mentioned. More encouraged each day!
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#403737 - 06/19/15 09:24 PM
Re: NEW KETRON SD7 Owners Please post REVIEWS HERE...
[Re: Dnj]
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Don,
Some answers as we await DVD manual to follow:-
List of stuff to address before tomorrow night, or at least before too long: *Take light. >>>AJ:- Not sure what to recommend.
*Take some style parts out of certain styles, and change a few drum kits. Take out some claps. I hate claps. >>>AJ:- For this you have to go to STYLE and select the style you want. Remember, you can not save over a factory style but you can start with it, EDIT and save as a USER style under the same STYLE GROUP (eg. Pop). * Select the style you want. * Press VOICE & VARIATION to access this neat screen. * To take out/in style parts, press any of the 3 VARIATION buttons that corresponds to part of the style you want out/in. * To make modifications to the style, press VIEW - and proceed to edit levels, effects ... etc for the various parts using the group buttons below the screen ... OR ... the buttons to the right of the screen (DRUM, BASS, CHORD, DRUM MIXER ... etc) to edit detailed elements of the style. For each of these selections made, the screen will display various sub-functions related to the group button you selected - eg. if you press DRUM, the screen will also show Auto Fill, Fill to Arranger .. etc - all functions which are related to DRUM
*Find out how to play all MP3s in a folder, for breaks. >>>AJ:- Press PLAYER 1 or PLAYER 2. * Go to the folder where your MP3 files reside * Press FUNCTION below the screen (bottom right) * Turn on AUTO PLAY and next to it, set the space (in sec) you want between songs (0 - if you want it to instantly go from song to song ... any space heard will be the space at the end of the current song or at the beginning of the new song within the Mp3 file). You can also select MARKER (for songs that have MARKERS in them) and program the selection to be made immediately, end of bar, end of measure of song ... etc.
*Find out how to associate text files with Registrations. >>>AJ:- When you create/save a REGISTRATION, give it the same name as your text file or pdf file. When this registration is recalled, the equivalent text/pdf file will also be recalled.
*Change a few more OTS settings. It's quick and easy to do! >>>AJ;- Someone had commented on this not being possible before but it was USER ERROR on their part. It is very easy.... take an existing OTS voice. * Press and hold down for 2 seconds to EDIT that voice. Within the editor, you can change the OCTAVE, shift, effects ... etc of this voice ... make it your own. * When done, press SAVE and give this new voice a new name ... then save. * This voice is now the new voice in the OTS you just edited. * Press SAVE and save this new USER STYLE with this new USER voice. You can now recall this style and save as a REGISTRATION for future use ... the original factory voice and factory OTS remain un-changed.
*I'll be making more Registrations for months. *Tweak vocal harmonizer settings. >>>AJ:- Press and hold down MICRO/VOICETRONE to access the microphone and vocalizer parameters and tweak to your taste. * When done, simply press SAVE and save as your own (make sure you do not overwrite the AJAMSONIC settings - use new USER locations!)
*Find out how to change and save Second Voice. >>>AJ:- Every lead voice has a 2nd voice programmed by KETRON. To change the 2nd voice of any lead voice:- * Press and hold the voice on the screen for 2 seconds to enter the voice editor. * The 2nd voice associated with this lead voice is the last column. * Press it to insert a new voice - and edit it's parameters (shift, pan, chorus .. etc as you see fit). Press save to save this USER voice with it's new 2nd voice. Whenever you select this voice and press the 2nd voice button to turn on the 2nd voice, this voice will be heard.
*Find out if there are more chord fingering options that I'm not seeing. I want the one that only changes key when you hit three notes at the same time--below the split. >>>AJ:- Within the STYLE, when you go to VIEW - press CHORD. * MODE (Easy and Fingered) are below the screen. More modes will be added with software soon.
*I'm have a 6-button foot switch. I'm using #1 for Vocal Harmony on/off. Number 6 is for Break. I need to figure out what to assign to the other four. You can assign almost any parameter or task to a switch. I will probably use one for text scroll, one for glide, maybe one to bring in Second Voice. *I'm sure there is much more!
Deane:- I recorded a few things with the SD7 but for the life of me can't figure out how to get the WAV file saved to the thumb drive so I can post it. Maybe AJ will chime in here.
Deane >>>AJ:- • Set the keyboard up (style, voices … etc) • Press the RECORD button (RED for standby mode) • Select AUDIO on the screen (for AUDIO recording). • Play a little and adjust the RECORDING VOL/Input level so the VU meter goes into the YELLOW ZONE on the screen • Press REC on the screen (REC starts flashing and recording begins) • Play your song • Press REC on screen again to end recording • Wave form is formed in the middle of the screen • Press PLAY to test your recording. • If all is ok, press the SAVE button (below the ENTER button on the panel) • “Do you want to save Audio Rec_0” is displayed. Say YES. • On next screen, name your song and press ENTER to save it. • It will be saved in your internal SSD. TO COPY YOUR SONG FROM INTERNAL SSD TO USB/
• Insert a USB stick in one of the USB jacks up front. • Press MEDIA • Make sure KETRON is highlighted (the drive where your song file resides and you want to copy from) • Press DISK EDIT (MEDIA flashes). • Scroll up to your new song and select it on the screen. • Press COPY on the screen below. • Now go and select your USB stick. • Press PASTE on the bottom of the screen to paste your file into the USB stick. Do not forget to EXIT DISK COPY mode by pressing MEDIA – DISK EDIT (It is no longer YELLOW/Selected).
Detailed DVD is coming soon.
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#403751 - 06/20/15 06:42 AM
Re: NEW KETRON SD7 Owners Please post REVIEWS HERE...
[Re: Dnj]
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Good job Deane, it sounds just like my Audya 76
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#403760 - 06/20/15 10:54 AM
Re: NEW KETRON SD7 Owners Please post REVIEWS HERE...
[Re: DonM]
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#403762 - 06/20/15 11:10 AM
Re: NEW KETRON SD7 Owners Please post REVIEWS HERE...
[Re: Bachus]
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Bachus,
Sorry for the delay in getting to you.
The SD7 has more functions (such as the Audio Multi tracks, Phrase Recording ... etc etc) which are NOT found in the Midjay Pro. Remember that the Midjay Pro is predominantly a PLAYER and the arranger is secondary, meanwhile the SD7 is predominantly an Arranger Keyboard and the Player is secondary, and so each one offers features in this direction not offered by the other.
Looking at the Arranger part of it, the SD7 has over 400 samples used to make it's internal sounds, while the Midjay Pro has 200. The SD7 has 260 styles while the Midjay PRO has only 143 (unless you get the AJAMSONIC version in either case).
The STYLE MODELLING feature on the SD7 is more extensive and in depth like on AUDYA series. The AUDYA of course offers even more in depth editing capabilities than any KETRON keyboard to date, more Audio components for it's style, more features like 6 outputs and SPDIF vers 3(SD7) and 2 (Midjay Pro) ... etc. It all boils down to what you want to accomplish and what you are willing to spend:-
* AUDYA:- Musician who is into totally creating their own, very picky on sound and so most elements must sound live (drums, bass and guitars). They rely solely on the AUDYA to represent their band both on stage and studio, being able to use or incorporate their own live audio drums (either you like those in the SD7/Midjay Pro or you don't).
* SD7:- Budget is a factor and so they don't mind loosing features like separate outputs, audio elements to styles especially Live Guitars that make a difference in all Audio styles in Audya (since only the drums are live), lighter weight, want the touch screen OS (AUDYA doesn't have a touch screen), want 61 keys (if you want 76, you must get AUDYA), want a module with the basic KETRON features to use in a studio or with existing gear (Midjay Pro)... and so on ....
So you see, there is a fundamental difference between both - or all 3. Whichever one suits your needs is what you go with - if you are willing to live with it's short-comings. AUDYA series is still the flagship if you want it all.
Don ... being able to control individual harmony parts, edit each one's parameters ...etc ... we had to reserve some features for AUDYA now, right :-)
Donny - welcome back to KETRON.
Thanks,
AJ
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#403768 - 06/20/15 01:31 PM
Re: NEW KETRON SD7 Owners Please post REVIEWS HERE...
[Re: Dnj]
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1- Is there an internal HD for storage in the Ajamsonic SD7 or do I keep all my folders of Mp3s, txt files, etc, on a USB thumb-drive in the KB?.....
>>>AJ:- There is 16GB internal SSD storage. When you press the MEDIA buttons, it's the drive labeled KETRON. You can create a MP3 folder and dump all your MP3s there or create a MIDIFILE folder and do likewise. Just make sure any text or pdf files you want to associate with the MP3 or Midi or wave are also in the same folder.
2- Do I have to install the Ajamsonic upgrade or is it already inside,or ..?
>>>AJ:- It is already inside (if you got the AJAMSONIC version from Frank as he ordered some of both). To verify if you have the AJAMSONIC version, * Keyboard should have the AJAMSONIC label above the USB slots and on the back below the SD7 * When you press MEDIA, you will see the AJAMSONIC drive with all the various bonus material already installed. * When you connect to a monitor, the AJAMSONIC logo is the default logo displayed.
3- When you set up song Registrations how do you link TXT files for each song for easy access if needed in live play..?
To set up a REGISTRATION effectively, * Select the style you want to use ... e.g LATIN - Cumbia * If you want to make any modifications to this style (including it's OTS), you will have to do this and save this style as a USER style then recall this USER style before proceeding. See OTS & USER STYLE below. * Set the tempo, transpose .. etc * When satisfied, press the REGIS button to activate the REGISTRATION. * Press SAVE and chose REGISTRATION to create/save your registration. You can also save the current style as a USER STYLE from this screen. * Press SAVE AS if you want to give it a unique name (save means save with the default name REGIS_001) * Now when you name your registration, give it the same name as any text/pdf file you want it to load when it is recalled. Press ENTER on the screen to create the new registration. * You will notice Bank 1-4 ... so you can create +1000 Registers in each Registration Bank. This done so you can keep all your say wedding registrations in one bank, all your birthday registrations in Bank 2 ...etc. * To recall at the gig, press the REGIS button once more. * Scroll down to the REGISTRATION you want to load and press ENTER to load it OR ... Press Num Pad and enter the number corresponding to the Registration you want to load (this becomes useful when you have more than 20 Registrations to sort through .. OR .. (we will soon be adding a keyboard pad to search via typing in the name of the registration too).
*** OTS AND USER STYLE ... (share this on the forum with others) .... Since on the SD7 you cannot overwrite a factory style or voice, once any changes are made to either of these, you simply press SAVE and save as a USER style or voice. Remember that the OTS is linked to a style so to modify any OTS, first select the style whose OTS you want to modify. * Once you have selected the style, then press and hold down the OTS you want to change * You will be in the voice editor. * Change as you see fit and SAVE. When you save, this 'new voice' will be saved in the same location it was in before but under USER ... so if this was a Grand Piano you just edited, the new voice will be saved under USER - PIANO -and you will see GRAND Piano. * Repeat this for all the 4 OTS. * When done, press SAVE and save the new USER style. This still will remember the new OTS you have associated with it. * Now to use in a registration, simply recall this style (Remember once you are in the STYLES to press USER styles then the group the style belonged to...e.g. POP), set up and SAVE your REGISTER. At the gig, when you recall this REGISTRATION, it will recall your USER STYLE which in tern will recall the associated OTS that you programmed into it. Everything is linked as you can see so the REGISTRATION doesn't really manage the contents of the style - you do and store as a USER STYLE .. then use that style in a REGISTRATION. The registration will then load that style, any text/pdf file that has the same name as it (and we are expanding this to include any MP3, Midifile or wave that has the same name as the registration too to be loaded as well in the new OS - as is the case with AUDYA!
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#403769 - 06/20/15 01:56 PM
Re: NEW KETRON SD7 Owners Please post REVIEWS HERE...
[Re: Ketron_AJ]
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Bachus,
Sorry for the delay in getting to you.
The SD7 has more functions (such as the Audio Multi tracks, Phrase Recording ... etc etc) which are NOT found in the Midjay Pro. Remember that the Midjay Pro is predominantly a PLAYER and the arranger is secondary, meanwhile the SD7 is predominantly an Arranger Keyboard and the Player is secondary, and so each one offers features in this direction not offered by the other.
Looking at the Arranger part of it, the SD7 has over 400 samples used to make it's internal sounds, while the Midjay Pro has 200. The SD7 has 260 styles while the Midjay PRO has only 143 (unless you get the AJAMSONIC version in either case).
The STYLE MODELLING feature on the SD7 is more extensive and in depth like on AUDYA series. The AUDYA of course offers even more in depth editing capabilities than any KETRON keyboard to date, more Audio components for it's style, more features like 6 outputs and SPDIF vers 3(SD7) and 2 (Midjay Pro) ... etc. It all boils down to what you want to accomplish and what you are willing to spend:-
* AUDYA:- Musician who is into totally creating their own, very picky on sound and so most elements must sound live (drums, bass and guitars). They rely solely on the AUDYA to represent their band both on stage and studio, being able to use or incorporate their own live audio drums (either you like those in the SD7/Midjay Pro or you don't).
* SD7:- Budget is a factor and so they don't mind loosing features like separate outputs, audio elements to styles especially Live Guitars that make a difference in all Audio styles in Audya (since only the drums are live), lighter weight, want the touch screen OS (AUDYA doesn't have a touch screen), want 61 keys (if you want 76, you must get AUDYA), want a module with the basic KETRON features to use in a studio or with existing gear (Midjay Pro)... and so on ....
So you see, there is a fundamental difference between both - or all 3. Whichever one suits your needs is what you go with - if you are willing to live with it's short-comings. AUDYA series is still the flagship if you want it all.
Don ... being able to control individual harmony parts, edit each one's parameters ...etc ... we had to reserve some features for AUDYA now, right :-)
Donny - welcome back to KETRON.
Thanks,
AJ Thanks for the answer AJ, very clear... Just one more question, the vce voices and the super solo voices, are they Audya specific?
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#403821 - 06/22/15 07:48 AM
Re: NEW KETRON SD7 Owners Please post REVIEWS HERE...
[Re: Dnj]
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Where can I edit Voices within the style parts, vol, efx, etc,..... and/or change drum sets, or drum perimeters etc, etc, and re-save to registrations, had etc..?
>>>AJ:- This is down within the VIEW screen when you select a style. • Press VIEW on the bottom lower part of screen to access the STYLE VIEW – all parts that make up the style. • This default page shows the VOLUME of all the style parts. To access say the PAN (left/right), REVERB, CHORUS, EFFECTS ..etc of all style parts, use the equivalent buttons below the screen. Once selected, their parameters can be changed by pressing the number corresponding to the parameter you want to change, and turning the wheel to change it. • Press DRUM MIXER to access the individual drum parts (volume and reverb). • Press DRUM to access parameters associated with the drums such as:- o VAR3 TO GROVE (On the main STYLE VIEW screen, you have 3 VARIATIONS. If this button is off, all 3 affect chord parts only. If this button is on, the 3rd variation is for GROOVES that affect the drum track (when turned on/off). o AUTOFILL (Auto Fill in in when you switch between Variations) o Fill To Arrange (When you press the FILL IN, the arranger automatically switches forward/backwards to the next/previous – depending on which FILL in you press. o AFTER TOUCH FILL:- Press hard on the key to activate the fill in … no need to leave the keyboard and press a button for FILL IN anymore. Combine any of these for true musical freedom and creativity. • When you are done with the modification .. remember, you just modified a FACTORY style. You must now save this style as a USER STYLE by pressing SAVE and given it a name. Then go back later to the USER STYLE location you saved this under (EG POP), reload the style, then set up the voices and other parameters – then press SAVE and SAVE REGISTRATION – to save this setting under a REGISTRATION.
3-.....How to I unlock OTS link to variations....... I just want top change my OTS I choose manually NOT when I change a variation.
>>>AJ:- When you select a style, • press VOICE AND VARIATION (below the screen). • Now press VOICE TO ABCD (Voice to Variation A, B, C, D). If on (yellow and highlighted), then OTS is on, If off, OTS is off and you can manually select the voices being used by OTS – by simply pressing any of the 4 voices OTS above the screen (above the Variation buttons in the VOICE AND VARI screen).
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#403824 - 06/22/15 07:53 AM
Re: NEW KETRON SD7 Owners Please post REVIEWS HERE...
[Re: Dnj]
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1-......How do I set up Voc Microphone to my liking EQ,Rev etc and have it retain the settings on powerup AND I dont want it to ever change when I change registrations songs etc..... I want to keep the same VOC settings & Voc Harmony?
>>>AJ:- To enter the Mic and Vocalizer EDITOR (and the EDITOR for any other button that has a blue dot to it’s lower right corner .. e.g. HARMONY, INPUT, DOUBLE …etc), simply press and hold down the MICRO/VOICETRON button for 2 seconds. • Left side of the screen is the MIC settings, eq, reverb .. etc. Right side is the vocalizer settings, eq .. etc • Press EDIT on the screen to enter the detailed vocalizer or Mic settings. • Select USER or the top harmony type and you will get a drop down menu with all the other harmony types you can select. Turn the DATA WHEEL to access even more. Select TRIO (as per your example above). • You can select VOCIETRON TO ARRANGER and select the various HARMONY types you want when ARRANGER A, B, C or D or START/STOP is selected – auto vocalizer settings so you do not have to change vocalizer settings as you switch from variation to variation – it is already tied to the variation in question .. etc. • Press LOCK to LOCK this vocalizer setting so that regardless of REGISTRATION or STYLE or … selected, the vocalizer will remain the same. • When done, press the SAVE button. Select VOICETRON to save the current vocalizer settings. Repeat this step and press MICRO (on the screen) to save the MICROPHONE settings too.
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#403855 - 06/22/15 02:53 PM
Re: NEW KETRON SD7 Owners Please post REVIEWS HERE...
[Re: Dnj]
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Deane ... some answers for you:-
First, Thanks for all the helpful posts. It is deeply appreciated. A few Questions from a Ketron Newbie 1. How do you change the octave of only a single voice in a style without effecting the entire keyboard? >>>AJ:- Take note of the voice whose octave you want to change. The idea is to edit the voice (in which you will change it's octave so it can be used in other styles too), then save as a USER VOICE - then use STYLE VIEW and recall the USER VOICE (in place of the factory voice). * Press VOICE - Voice group and select this voice. * Press and hold down this voice to enter the EDITOR. * Change the octave (+/-12) and SAVE as a USER VOICE. * Go back to the style and in VIEW, recall this voice instead. Then SAVE the style as a USER STYLE.
2. Can the MY LIST and USER areas be put in Alpha order? >>>AJ:- Yes ... They can be put in any order but they cannot be rearranged. So you would have to know where you want to put what. EG>>> MY LIST. Once selected, press a location/voice on the screen and hold down. The SD7 will take you to the VOICE selection asking you to select a new voice you want to put into this location. It's your choice what voice you put in there - but if you know the order in which you want to arrange them, you can place them in there alphabetically. For the USER area, if you want to have them arranged in order, when you create the USER styles or USER voices, put a number before them when you name them e.g. 01-Sax, 02-Piano. Although Piano comes before Sax alphabetically, they will be saved in the order 01-Piano (in the first location), 02-Sax (in the 2nd location) ... etc.
3. If connected to a computer, can styles in the MY LIST and USER areas be deleted and re-reordered? >>>AJ:- Yes. Just go to the SD7's SSD and go into the appropriate folder and rename them or delete. You can also use the SD7 to do the same by pressing MEDIA - KETRON (make sure it is highlighted in RED) - touch DISK EDIT below the screen to enter the disk edit mode. You can then go to the appropriate folder and DELETE, RENAME .. etc files. Don't for get to press DISK EDIT again when done and MEDIA to exit and get back to normal operation of the keyboard.
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#403933 - 06/23/15 04:14 PM
Re: NEW KETRON SD7 Owners Please post REVIEWS HERE...
[Re: Rfinnshw]
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It's been 3 days and with the Support of Prince AJ and Don M. & what I still can remember from my Ketron days I have to say it's getting easier & easier to set up the SD7. It just does things so easily and logically to create Registration lists, custom USER Styles with OTS, Vol, Rev, FX, Drum kit edits, & all extensive editing perimeter capabilities that can be instantly saved. Here's what I do..... First I pick a style>then I begin to make a template to use this style for many songs that have that use this style. I add what ever 4 OTS sounds I like and tweak each one to my liking. Then when I have the perfect style eg: DP Rumba I save it to a user style bank> next I start to create registrations of songs that use this "PERFECT STYLE" only changing tempo, key, variation start, etc. & so on. Then I start again creating another Style template for the next group of songs that would use whatever style I need. I keep doing this and it might take a few weeks until my song list and all MY perfect style types are finished Named and Stored in the Registration Banks for use on stage for instant call up. Once you get the hang of the procedure it goes fast.
I also hooked up a Mic and was pleasantly surprised at how Amazing the Vocal Harmony sounds. On par with TC Helicon in sound quality & tracking, an easy Mic editor at the touch of a button let's you adjust Vocal EFX with ease & control them with the Sliders or pedals, Nice Job KETRON!. For anyone that wants to know The SD7 key bed feel is AWESOME not too heavy, not to light but solid, I really enjoy playing it. Anyway for now I'm trying to get more done when I get the chance in-between gigs.There is so much to explore with the SD7 features in so many ways, I look forward to doing that as time goes on. This Sunday I'll learn much more at the workshop.
Take care.
Edited by Dnj (06/23/15 04:32 PM)
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#403965 - 06/24/15 12:59 PM
Re: NEW KETRON SD7 Owners Please post REVIEWS HERE...
[Re: Dnj]
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#403975 - 06/24/15 08:22 PM
Re: NEW KETRON SD7 Owners Please post REVIEWS HERE...
[Re: hammer]
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By the way, I now working on the fine tuning of the overall sound of the SD7. I am not a sound "techie" so it involves a lot of experimentation. I'm trying to get the SD7 setup to use with my Bose Compact Speaker. So, I'm playing around with the EQ system on the keyboard because I don't use a mixer. I'm about ready to debut it on it's first gig this week!
Deane
I thought it was cool you got an SD-7...you have always kept an open mind to different instrument/manufacturers....that's also pretty cool. Playing new styles with new sounds on a new keyboard is like leaving one band you've been playing with, and joining up with another group...one just as competent, but the virtual musicians (the style parts) have slightly different tastes. Of course, there's that hopefully short "getting to know you" period as you adjust to the new players' strengths and weaknesses. Good luck on your maiden voyage. Ian
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#404012 - 06/25/15 04:41 PM
Re: NEW KETRON SD7 Owners Please post REVIEWS HERE...
[Re: DonM]
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Here is memory: Internal Storage: SSD Card 16G. External Storage: Removable SATA 2/3 2.5 HD. USB: 3 Host + 1 device. Internal is largest of any arranger that I know of, by far. External is unlimited.
It is quick and easy to save edited styles, registrations, sounds etc. You cannot save presets (overwrite factory styles or sounds). You just edit them and save to User memory with the same name or pick your own name. The OS seems very stable, intuitive and fast. I haven't found any "bugs" that are worth mentioning, but there are some updates and fixes to make things even better, that AJ is working on. Ditto to what Don said, ...SD7 is very stable, Display is BIG, BRIGHT and easily readable, The OS is very easy to-operate and very logical in it's execution. You can save changes, edits etc on the fly in live play with no glitches or pauses at all something I couldn't do on my S-950 while playing. Jumping back and forth between Reg style play & Mp3/Smf song play is seamless with just the touch of one button which I really like. Sliders are of top quality built also not those shaky ones on some keyboards...navigation on the SD7 is a players dream & one of my pet peeves when I perform & the SD7 seems to so far addresses this nicely for my needs. As was said before the Voc processor and VH is on par with TC Helicon, sounds really good with excellent tracking. Speakers are the loudest I've heard on an Arranger KB, for those occasions when your in a very small room or small NH scenario the KB alone will cover it all by itself. I'm also getting used to this nice keybed feel as I transition from the featherweight S-950 touch to a more substantial feel with the SD7 it feels more like a Fatar KB. Little things like a speaker on/off switch in back is convenient & 3 front USB ports too. I also like that holding down many of the buttons, or screen Icons will activate popup menus for editing instantly. Playing live on screen you can SEE ALL 4 OTS Sounds for instant access at the touch of the icon in live play also besides all the fills, breaks too. I'm learning more each day as I play it and set it up. Stay tuned.
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#404046 - 06/26/15 07:49 AM
Re: NEW KETRON SD7 Owners Please post REVIEWS HERE...
[Re: Dnj]
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Hey guys, I recorded almost four hours of audio last night. I'd like to say it sounded great, but I can't. BECAUSE I plugged the input to the recorder into the output jack and got four hours of silence! I hate it when I have to set up, play one night and tear down, because it's easy for something like this to happen. On a good "note", I have had numerous unsolicited compliments from regulars about the sound of the SD7. I didn't tell anyone I'd made a change, but they noticed. Not that the Korg didn't sound great, but the Ketron is different, even more live-sounding, and I suppose it is refreshing to do some of the same songs that are requested with a different style or feel. I will be off until next Wednesday so will spend a couple hours each day at least doing more setting up and tweaking.
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#404107 - 06/28/15 01:09 AM
Re: NEW KETRON SD7 Owners Please post REVIEWS HERE...
[Re: hammer]
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The on board style editing is the easiest I have seen and i have owned Korgs, Rolands, and Yamaha keyboards. Deane
I agree with Deane that editing all perimeters of style parts, sounds, etc, & sounds, efx, etc, is so easy to do (while playing live or not), & the setup is logical & more then capable to operate. You can edit the styles, sounds, anyway you want, plus there's Modeling, Morphing, Live SFX, Styles with "RIIFs" also. and much more..etc,..The SD7 is a joy to use & play..
Edited by Dnj (06/28/15 01:11 AM)
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#404205 - 07/01/15 04:08 AM
Re: NEW KETRON SD7 Owners Please post REVIEWS HERE...
[Re: hammer]
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I'm learning more & more then I knew yesterday with the SD7 and it sounds so good. I have been tweaking each variation of different styles one at a time eg: Intos, Variations, Endings, one by one...BUT, Now Don Mason showed me that by using the "Global" Tab feature in the editing window allows me to make changes to sounds, perimeters, Vol, Efx, etc, and when this tab is activated it will change ALL your edits ON ALL PARTS so you don't have to adjust EACH part independently saving so much time. Great Feature! I also found out how to change lyrics Background Color, Font, Text Size. A cool feature on the SD7 is that you can change text size just by using you fingers just like you do on your cell phone or tablet by spreading your two fingers in real Time or by tapping the screen twice also.. And the Lyrics is so readable on this Bright BIG Display.
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#404219 - 07/01/15 08:54 AM
Re: NEW KETRON SD7 Owners Please post REVIEWS HERE...
[Re: Dnj]
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Deane, you should NEVER place the Bose L1 Compact on a table. This results in the loss of the sub-woofer sounds. Additionally, those extension sections are what provides the mid range and separation from the bass sounds and at least one should be used, but preferably both. Believe me, your audiences will know the difference when they hear the system set up like this. Gary
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#404221 - 07/01/15 09:32 AM
Re: NEW KETRON SD7 Owners Please post REVIEWS HERE...
[Re: Dnj]
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#404232 - 07/01/15 12:58 PM
Re: NEW KETRON SD7 Owners Please post REVIEWS HERE...
[Re: Dnj]
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For just talking or making announcements, on the table is fine, because there is no need for sub-woofer sounds or frequencies. For any type of music, though, the floor with extensions is the only way to go. Gary
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#404239 - 07/01/15 03:28 PM
Re: NEW KETRON SD7 Owners Please post REVIEWS HERE...
[Re: Dnj]
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Wooden stages, or bandstands, especially those that are just a few feet off the floor and open at the front end, tend to over-amplify the bottom end, and this I have experienced on more than a few occasions. However, if the stage, or bandstand, is fully enclosed, the problem is eliminated, at least the vast majority of the problem. I had one place where I performed on an open front stage about 4 feet above the floor and the bass boomed. I moved everything to floor level and the problem was immediately resolved. As for the extensions, when I talked with Bose about them they told me that the extensions provided a physical separation of the low and high frequency sounds, and that this, in turn, improved the mid range sounds. I've tried it with every configuration and came to the conclusion to let Carol decide which sounded best. She, and two other ladies, agreed that the vocals sounded much crisper and the mid range sounds improved by a fair amount when both extensions were used. I trust hers, and most women's hearing much more than any guy's. After all these years, I think that woman can hear a mouse peeing on cotton at the length of a football field away. Use whatever configuration you wish, but mine is the correct one! Good luck, Gary
Edited by travlin'easy (07/01/15 03:30 PM)
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#404340 - 07/03/15 08:40 PM
Re: NEW KETRON SD7 Owners Please post REVIEWS HERE...
[Re: Dnj]
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Registered: 12/01/99
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Hi guys ... (he said, as he dipped his toe into the water) I was fortunate enough to acquire an SD7 from a friend who panicked at the overwhelmingness of it, so I have it here to fiddle with for a bit before he decides to return or keep it. I "want" to love it ... I do, but there are some major Uncle Dave no-nos that will keep me from buying one. If the following items can be addressed ... I might be a strong candidate, although it IS larger than I wanted - it might not lay in my trunk the way I need it to, and that will keep it out as well. All depends on the case, I guess. So far - it's significantly longer and heavier than the PA900.
First the good things: It sounds fantastic It FEELS fantastic The styles are Fantastic The song player is FANTASTIC The touch screen is Fantastic The panel layout is ... well, here is where it starts to fall short.
*There is no fast return to home from some screens. Too many anomalies when switching between style and song modes *As much as I love the "sync/next" feature in the player - sync/next does not always appear when you'd expect *you can alter EQ of MP3s on the fly, but can modified EQ be saved? *the harmonizer is good, not great, and very skimpy on editable parameters. In this price range, there should be layers and layers of options. For example, the harmonizer needs a "hold" feature when triggering from the right hand, especially during song playback *harm does not follow chords as well as the competition ... Follows actual notes fingered, and not the auto generated chord - defeats purpose of auto chord *transpose hard buttons affects player even when "keyboard" is selected in sub menu.
Also, the harmonizer does NOT REFLECT TRANSPOSE in song mode!! (That alone could be the deal-breaker) Is it a software bug? The touch switches should lockout changes selected in the soft buttons
*In DSP mode - player (MP3) needs to ignore FC and Q sliders. The Low & Hi EQ are great, but they disengage if you turn the button off after making a change. There are times when you need to make a fast adit, then go back to your live controls of sounds, and the sliders are shared. You could be thinking you're adjusting the vocal harmony volume, and the filter changes the tone of the file playing back.
So - please tell me if any of these concerns are user ignorance. I can see the advantage of having a sophisticated multi-format media player built in, but not at the expense of loosing a pro harmonizer. This one is beneath the TC line, but above the Yamaha. (and Fran - don't even mention that darn G70 in this thread either - we know you love it, but Roland VP doesn't come up to the TC standards IMHO.) ... and everyone is entitled to my opinion right? lol
Enough griping for tonight - I have 3 parties to play (comfortably) on my PA900 over the w/e, and I'll revisit this beast after then. Ciao!
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#404377 - 07/04/15 10:19 AM
Re: NEW KETRON SD7 Owners Please post REVIEWS HERE...
[Re: Ketron_AJ]
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Registered: 12/01/99
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Working on making it even better ... I know you are, my friend. I keep reminding myself that I am a WEIRD, unusual user with many specific needs, and not many manufacturers make what I want, right out of the box. The kb sounds are wonderful, but as a vocalist ...I need more control, or it's not going to replace my Korg. I found that the only mode that works ok for me, is the "bassist" mode. That setting controls the harmonies best [RH], and gives me flexibility to play my own bass lines, which I love doing anyway. The transposer is bugging me a lot ... many bass samples disappear on the low C, if I go down more than 2 steps, and that's frustrating. I understand sound ranges, but no other kb seems to have that issue. We'll talk after your break ... ALOT!
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#404439 - 07/06/15 07:40 AM
Re: NEW KETRON SD7 Owners Please post REVIEWS HERE...
[Re: Dnj]
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Registered: 12/01/99
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OK, the jury is in, and the SD7 is out. Let me explain. If a few things were different in the universe, this would be my new keyboard, but given my UD "quirks" that define my style, it is not ready [out of the box] to join my rig. Most of the things I need are probably addressable with software updates, and I'm sure, our good friend AJ would help in every way, but the kicker is ... the size/weight issue. While I could learn to live with the weight (I've already lost TWICE what this weighs - yay!), the length is too long for the opening of my trunk, and I'm not buying a new car to fit my gear. I need to have everything fit in the trunk without using my seats ... still raising kids and grandkids. So, as good as it sounds ... it will not be a part of my upcoming shows. I won't go into the details of what I like and don't like, but if anyone has questions about my quirks, I'll be happy to answer.
In summary - the majority of players who use arrangers should love this keyboard. Most singers will find the vocal section more than adequate, but some (like me) who are extra fussy and particular about vocal harmony may need more. The actual mic processing is very good, but the harmony section cuts a few too many corners for my taste. As a singer primarily, I need the harmonizer to fit like a glove and change with my every whim. TC has this down to a science, so I will stick to what works. Remember - I use the harmonizer triggered from my RIGHT hand, mostly.
I've said before: I really do not need the best sounds or styles to make my show. I need a terrific vocal/harmony unit, great monitor speakers, Rhodes, bass and drums ... and the rest is gravy. I still have an antique, very mid-entry level Korg i5s, (or the higher end Yamaha 9000pro) that I could use tomorrow with my TC VL3 and have a great show. I'd surly miss some of the new hottest sounds, but I'd work around them. My staple sounds are Bass, EPs, Organs, Strings and drums anyway, and these have been VERY good for over 20 years. I could play all night long on a good Rhodes, or Wurli sound with LH bass and drums and the crowd would not suspect a thing.
I give the SD7 two thumbs up for the masses ... but I am not the masses. To be honest - the module version of the Audya would be more attractive to me at this point for its multi file playback capabilities, but I still need a one piece unit for in/out ease. I am certain that (at least for this summer) I have the best setup that I can have for what I do.
PA900, iPad, Bose compact. (I will add guitar and VL3 for more specific jobs, but don't need them for most dance gigs)
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#404501 - 07/06/15 05:42 PM
Re: NEW KETRON SD7 Owners Please post REVIEWS HERE...
[Re: Dnj]
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#404519 - 07/07/15 03:11 AM
Re: NEW KETRON SD7 Owners Please post REVIEWS HERE...
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#404591 - 07/08/15 12:36 PM
Re: NEW KETRON SD7 Owners Please post REVIEWS HERE...
[Re: Dnj]
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Hi Donny,
Thanks for the effort. I hate to say this but it will probably be confirmed by others, the vocaliser part sucks, and sucks big time. Don't know why but the TC Helicon on my old PA800 beats it with a mile. At least judging by this recording. Funny thing is that I have just been listening to the style demos of the SD7 and then in exactly the same setting with amplifier, speakers etc. to your recording and even the SD7 as a whole does not get anywhere near the demo recordings. It is leaning towards "nasal" with possible too much high in the EQ setting, at least there is not the warmth and fullness that I hear in the style demos. Could it be you recorded it with too high treble settings or....... ?? Looking forward to more stuff, I know you CAN sing, and I know you CAN play so this time " it is not the musician, it is the instrument/ recording Stupid......"
regards, John
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