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#404399 - 07/05/15 12:23 AM Re: G70 thoughts and ideas [Re: Uncle Dave]
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Originally Posted By: Uncle Dave
... isn't there an "antique arranger" forum you could post in? ..."
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Hehe, if we take a look into the mirror, I think we will find more than arrangers who should move to "antique" areas. rotf2
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#404403 - 07/05/15 02:11 AM Re: G70 thoughts and ideas [Re: Fran Carango]
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Originally Posted By: Fran Carango
Reasons why I am not interested in replacing the Roland G70.

Yes I have tried other keyboards...just about all of them,
and there are always things I will not give up..

I will firstly re affirm why I think an Arranger keyboard is
the only way to go.
Work flow and flexibility out performs any workstation..

For me the benefits I get with the G70...Still the best semi weighted
key pad...
6 Tones available at all times, and 3 split zones..all with velocity
switching or pedal control..

One touch settings are like mini performances..you can
actually set up all 6 tones and effects for each of the
four, one touch settings..

I prefer not to use one touch settings..because I like using
the 16 category buttons to select different tones( like having 16 tones
instead of the standard 4...).

I have no doubt, many G70 owners, have not realized the many features
they have at their finger tips..Making some real bargain prices on used G70's.

Here are a few more things that the G70 does, that are not well known...

You can edit/change all the preset styles, including separate eq..save all the edits on a
external memory..keep the exact names of the styles and save as a rom file..
Now you can replace the ROM styles internally..with all your selections and edits..

If you like to use performances (User programs)..You are not limited to 144 slots,
in the user program, but you can select from any user program on your external
memory...limited only by the size of your memory source..

The tone edits in a style or SMF, are the best..I like to change the velocity of drums..
this allows the velocity switching of the drums to come alive..
Also changing eq live is easy..want to deepen that bass..bingo , easy to do..
Make up tools are super..with the touchscreen..

If you want to switch to another gear while playing dance music..
Use your covers..select bass and pick a synth bass tab, or drums and select a hip hop
kit..it takes a few seconds..all in real time..

If you are looking for a different overall feel of a style..an example, you are playing
a style or SMF, with a lot of brass..switch to guitar tab in covers, and you have that
Elvis sound..

Speaking of Elvis, there is a great Elvis trio selection in the harmonizer (vocal)..

Add this to your Elvis cover change...perfect..

The G70 harmonizer is the most mis understood feature...There are so many edits to make it
just right, and easily saved..I have seen my pro friends listen to a default setting for a
few seconds, and say nay...then take 3 months trying to set up their own keyboard..

G70 has a vocoder in vocal harmony...and it is not your old Korg vocoder..
most folks pass over this, and it is the best harmonizer I have found..if you play your
own voicing...
Edit wise you have 4 voice zones with it's own editable options including degree of gender..

If you haven't tried it..you missed the boat...Don't forget to select "your voice"..

I have mentioned many times about the G70 vocal harmonizer being smart..reading
chords from all the sources, automatically..No switch a SMF track for a chord, or selecting
another choice for style play..All of the different selections in harmony are active
with front panel buttons and touch screen...
All the settings are easily saved in user program..

I love using arranger keyboards, but use differently than most folks..
over done busy styles..scream fake to me..they leave no room to play, and take away
respect you could obtain via playing..

I like to strip down a style, resulting in more believable, and realistic sound...
I also retain the same players....like if it was a real band...

I like to link a style and a SMF together...the G70 can switch between style a SMF smoothly.
Keep the tempo the same..also the one touch settings are available with this concept.
Four markers allow for added flexibility..
I also assign buttons to switch off arranger and play left hand bass(or just auto bass
with drums)..

Another great feature, the singer key, sets your vocal range and will automatically select
the key for you SMF...works great,,

Hopefully this post enlightens G70 players and also give you some ideas to use with
your keyboard choice..




Any body who praise G70 is either using the KB as SMF player or using it as a live KB with the band.Not as a full blown arranger user for main act.

The facts are - styles are less dynamic with poor bass programming ( does nt come close
to Ketron
- no multi pads
- great hardware and keys
- good piano/drums and some ok sounds but bad ac guitars/ sax (
even
with SRX)- same old 90's sounds and styles
- dead style support compared to Yamaha
- patch editing not as extensive as Korg ( not real workstation like editing)
or sample editing
- Styles get old quickly and no way to get fresh ones because no one is
writing them compared to others- unless for poor conversion. ( bass sounds are linear and monotonous without
expression due to lack of DNC or Megavoice like tech . Even with limited
Srx bass n drums.


So yes, perfect for GM/ GS SMF edit player/ live KBdist within a band .but not great for OMB with full arranger play.


Edited by jamman (07/05/15 02:25 AM)

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#404405 - 07/05/15 05:52 AM Re: G70 thoughts and ideas [Re: Fran Carango]
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G70 sounds are old and obsolete

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#404409 - 07/05/15 10:59 AM Re: G70 thoughts and ideas [Re: rolandfan]
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Originally Posted By: rolandfan
G70 sounds are old and obsolete


Nothing wrong with vintage,........... cool2
many people still playing Hammond B3's & DX7's out there!
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#404413 - 07/05/15 12:39 PM Re: G70 thoughts and ideas [Re: rolandfan]
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Originally Posted By: rolandfan
G70 sounds are old and obsolete


They are old... But many still compete with more modern sounds because of the huge sample rom memmory of the G70.... Sure there are better sounds available these days... But these sounds are far from obsolete and make a fine instrument in the hands of a good player.
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#404414 - 07/05/15 12:41 PM Re: G70 thoughts and ideas [Re: Bachus]
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Originally Posted By: Bachus
Originally Posted By: rolandfan
G70 sounds are old and obsolete


They are old... But many still compete with more modern sounds because of the huge sample rom memmory of the G70.... Sure there are better sounds available these days... But these sounds are far from obsolete and make a fine instrument in the hands of a good player.


Very well said !!!!!!!!
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#404415 - 07/05/15 12:43 PM Re: G70 thoughts and ideas [Re: rphillipchuk]
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#404442 - 07/06/15 08:50 AM Re: G70 thoughts and ideas [Re: Fran Carango]
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I loved all 3 of my G70's and I thank Fran for leading me in that direction. I had three because I couldn't then or now find anything as complete or satisfying for me. The s950 comes close, but if the G70 could lose 10-15 lbs, I'd still have a least one. And don't say I should get a BK 9 because it's not the same.

I swore I would not buy another G 70; please don't tempt me. Please. :-)
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#404444 - 07/06/15 09:03 AM Re: G70 thoughts and ideas [Re: cassp]
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Originally Posted By: cassp
I loved all 3 of my G70's and I thank Fran for leading me in that direction. I had three because I couldn't then or now find anything as complete or satisfying for me. The s950 comes close, but if the G70 could lose 10-15 lbs, I'd still have a least one. And don't say I should get a BK 9 because it's not the same.

I swore I would not buy another G 70; please don't tempt me. Please. :-)


Cassp just go with your heart....if you love the G70 go for it prices are low as ever now cool2 ......I understand why you love it, players that use SMf......there is no better KB for that with so many amazing options, makeup tools, great VH, killer keybed,
touch screen etc, etc, ....
and nice sliders too it's a no brainer... keys


Edited by Dnj (07/06/15 09:03 AM)

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#404454 - 07/06/15 11:57 AM Re: G70 thoughts and ideas [Re: Fran Carango]
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Registered: 12/08/02
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Loc: Forest Hill, MD USA
Cassp, I have all the G70 styles converted to Yamaha format, and to be perfectly honest, those styles, IMO, sound better in the S-950 than they did in the G-70. Now, I've never owned a G-70, but I did own a G-800. It was brutal to lug that thing around, and for me, those days of lugging God awful heavy gear to a job are long since gone.

So, don't "go with your heart", but instead, listen to your body talking to you when you try to heft a monster speaker on a pole, or lift a 46-pound keyboard housed in a 12-pound case out of the van an on to your R&R cart. That's insane.

Fran can rave all he wants about the build quality of his G-70, but in reality, the weight of the keyboard has absolutely nothing to do with the quality, unless, maybe, you're a real clumsy person that is constantly dropping your keyboard. In fact, some of the newer polycarbonate plastics are much stronger than steel, and far more durable, yet they weigh less than half as much as steel.

The first and only time I picked up a G-70 in a rigid case, I thought there was a dead body in the case - Damned that was heavy. I'm guessing the case weighed about 20 pounds with the cables and mics stored in it as well. That made a total of 66 pounds, almost as heavy as my old Peavey SP5G speakers.

Stick with the S-950, more styles, fantastic voices, easy to work with format, incredible product support, and light weight. Your tired, old body will thank you many times over.

All the best,

Gary cool


Edited by travlin'easy (07/06/15 11:58 AM)
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