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#408580 - 09/19/15 11:41 AM Re: Are DJ's Taking over Bands.....? [Re: tony mads usa]
Jerryghr Offline
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I guess music wasn't a priority.

Over the last few years, Seneca Gaming has opened an additional $130 million Seneca Buffalo Creek Casino in downtown Buffalo,(which has no live music), as well as a new $48 million hotel tower at its Seneca Allegany Resort & Casino in Salamanca. The company also has spent nearly $45 million to overhaul the main gaming floor of its Niagara Falls Casino, renovate its hotel rooms and renovate its Thunder Falls Buffet within the Niagara Falls complex.

Regards,

JerryGHR

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#408587 - 09/19/15 03:22 PM Re: Are DJ's Taking over Bands.....? [Re: Dnj]
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#408594 - 09/19/15 05:11 PM Re: Are DJ's Taking over Bands.....? [Re: Dnj]
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This week, I played for 25 people for $500.00 for two hours during a dinner. That's possible because one person was International president of a major automobile manufacturing company, one was a college president, one was a Lt. Governor....etc.

Sometimes, it's not the volume of bodies but the situation.

The right material is vital.

Following the money ain't a bad tactic. I'm also fishing for high dollar work for my day company, and these are the very guys who can afford my product.

And, guess what? Other than for their kids or grand-kids, not one would ever hire or even listen to a DJ.


Russ

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#408600 - 09/19/15 06:40 PM Re: Are DJ's Taking over Bands.....? [Re: Dnj]
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I understand your point of view, Russ. Alas, were DJs losing jobs to arranger players this discussion would be one of a totally different nature. Also, it doesn't take away the fact that quite a few of the "pro-arranger" players resort to Dj-ing as well. Sorry, but to me it's just another case of someone thinking he's better than the other. I can't help but remembering what many arranger players here think of piano players.

In Europe DJs that play at weddings and such have no problem keeping everyone on the dance floor. They play music that caters to all ages: waltzes, polkas, fox-trots, musette, evergreens, standards, disco, rock, etc.

Of course, my view on this doesn't matter like anything else I say on this forum.

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#408603 - 09/19/15 06:59 PM Re: Are DJ's Taking over Bands.....? [Re: Taike]
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Taike, I'm saying that there is a market for live music, but it's different now than even a few years before.

In my early years, all jobs were proms, High School sock hops and Fraternity parties. They're all gone now, done mostly by DJ's.

My market rarely calls for an arranger. It's a classical guitar for a dinner, or a piano. B-3 jobs are there for the Jimmy Smith hardliners. Jobs up to 12 pieces are regular occurrences. Philharmonic and Jazz arts council gigs pop up as often as I'd like. Recording is every Sunday (2:30 thru Monday-6:00 PM-straight through).

The point is, you can work IF you are versatile and know lots of styles and material. In a typical month, I do all jobs mentioned here on guitar (classical, jazz, R&B)bass (bass guitar and upright), piano, organ, synths, vocals, percussion, vibes, mandolin...anything with strings or keys on it. I even worked on a Bluegrass album for a friend who has a Grammy recently. Have a lot of instruments...will travel is my motto.


DJ's don't hurt me at all. I don't want or need the kind of jobs they do, and there's plenty of the jobs I get to turn 1/2 of them down. Clients tell me they can't find enough entertainers at the high end. I've worked for some of my big corporate/industrial/government clients for over 40 years. I think, sometimes, I'm hired for sentimental reasons, instead of talent. On these jobs, I really don't have much competition.

On other thing: If the band or venue is solid, I never ask or negotiate price. Things seem to work out on that end. If the pay is light, I tell them next time that the scale is below my normal rate and they generally up the bread.

Russ


Edited by captain Russ (09/19/15 07:16 PM)

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#408606 - 09/19/15 07:07 PM Re: Are DJ's Taking over Bands.....? [Re: Dnj]
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Taike, I, for one, have always valued your opinion. Keep in mind that things are a bit different in various regions of the globe, and not everything is the same when it comes to entertainers. My comments pertained to DJs in my specific region - not Europe, Asia, Latin America, etc..., and I stated that in my posts.

I have never seen a DJ while I was in Europe, the UK, the Mediterranean area, South Africa, North Africa or Scandinavia, therefore, I have no practical knowledge to relate this. As for piano players, I have nothing but great respect for those that have the skill to play that instrument, which I stated in an above post. I wish I had that skill as well, but alas, I'm just a lowly entertainer that uses an arranger keyboard.

All the best,

Gary cool
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#408607 - 09/19/15 07:10 PM Re: Are DJ's Taking over Bands.....? [Re: captain Russ]
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Originally Posted By: captain Russ
Taike, I'm saying that there is a market for live music, but it's different now than even a few years before.

DJ's don't hurt me at all. I'm not interested in the kind of jobs they do, and there's plenty of the jobs I get to turn 1/2 of them down. Clients tell me they can't find enough entertainers at the high end.

Russ


Russ, that's exactly what I meant. Is no one taking a job away from anyone. Why can't others just see that?

Like we say in Laos, "Same, same...but different."

Taike
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#408608 - 09/19/15 07:19 PM Re: Are DJ's Taking over Bands.....? [Re: captain Russ]
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I'm "outta here", friends. Gotta go play a party for the people who started a national restaurant chain years ago.

Guess who?


Russ

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#408609 - 09/19/15 08:04 PM Re: Are DJ's Taking over Bands.....? [Re: captain Russ]
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Originally Posted By: captain Russ
I'm "outta here", friends. Gotta go play a party for the people who started a national restaurant chain years ago.

Guess who?


Russ


Hooters?


Edited by Jerryghr (09/19/15 08:08 PM)

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#408615 - 09/19/15 09:05 PM Re: Are DJ's Taking over Bands.....? [Re: Dnj]
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smile

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