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#410423 - 10/29/15 03:23 PM Which piano sample is this?
rosetree
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Just try to guess from which year and manufacturer this grand piano sound might be.


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#410427 - 10/29/15 03:48 PM Re: Which piano sample is this? [Re: ]
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Sounds a bit like an old Roland or possibly my old PSR-5700, hard to tell.

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#410433 - 10/29/15 05:08 PM Re: Which piano sample is this? [Re: ]
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PSR-5700? That's an arranger from 1992!! 😵 So old? Certainly no compliment to the sample... Oh, I know what it is... you like the bright Yamaha piano sound more than the warm, wooden sound of a Bösendorfer or the likes. I'll wait for more guesses before I release it.

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#410436 - 10/29/15 05:38 PM Re: Which piano sample is this? [Re: ]
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That old PSR-5700 had the best piano and vibes sounds Yamaha ever made. They were stellar to say the least, but discontinued when the lightweight systems came into being. The only person I know that still has one is Eddie Shoemaker (btweengigs). It was a beast, had a builtin 50-watt RMS amp, 6-inch speakers, and tipped the scales at somewhere around 55 pounds. When I had one stored in a semi-hard case it was like lifting a refrigerator. But damned it sounded good. Unfortunately, it was very limited in what it could do.

All the best,

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#410437 - 10/29/15 05:51 PM Re: Which piano sample is this? [Re: travlin'easy]
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Originally Posted By: travlin'easy
That old PSR-5700 had the best piano and vibes sounds Yamaha ever made. They were stellar to say the least, but discontinued when the lightweight systems came into being. The only person I know that still has one is Eddie Shoemaker (btweengigs). It was a beast, had a builtin 50-watt RMS amp, 6-inch speakers, and tipped the scales at somewhere around 55 pounds. When I had one stored in a semi-hard case it was like lifting a refrigerator. But damned it sounded good. Unfortunately, it was very limited in what it could do.
All the best,

Gary cool


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#410464 - 10/30/15 06:51 AM Re: Which piano sample is this? [Re: ]
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Looks like an ancient flagship. At that time I had just bought a GEM WS2 and a Yamaha SX55, then replaced by a Roland JP-80.
So, as a hint, this piano is not as old as from the early 90s. It is already a stereo sampled piano (didn't exist in the early 90s, except maybe Kurzweil.)

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#410466 - 10/30/15 07:21 AM Re: Which piano sample is this? [Re: ]
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Just a wild guess, i think its a steinway, sampled by Roland...
The concert Grand of the SRX-02 expansion board?
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#410474 - 10/30/15 09:10 AM Re: Which piano sample is this? [Re: Bachus]
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Originally Posted By: Bachus
Just a wild guess, i think its a steinway, sampled by Roland...
The concert Grand of the SRX-02 expansion board?


Thanks for your guess. Not too far away regarding release date (although the SRX-02 wasn't a Steinway, it has this very mellow, warm sound often criticized by those who want bright Steinway sound, it is said to be a Bösendorfer. SRX 11 is a Steinway).
I'll wait a few more hours before I release the result.

P.S.: Still regard the SRX 02 as one of my favourite Roland pianos, maybe no.1:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w47GmjbW1so


Edited by rosetree (10/30/15 09:22 AM)

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#410498 - 10/30/15 03:25 PM Re: Which piano sample is this? [Re: ]
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So, nearly time to reveal it...

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#410499 - 10/30/15 03:38 PM Re: Which piano sample is this? [Re: ]
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OK: This is the BEST ROLAND piano sample that existed from 1996 to 2000. It is the stereo piano from the SR-JV80-09 expansion board "Session" released in 1996, and it was presumably sampled from a Bösendorfer.
So for its first 4-5 years it was only available as an expansion. Even if there was an older expansion only dedicated to pianos, this piano on the session board was much more advanced, as it had separate left/right samples and two sample layers (piano and forte). The entire expansion had 16MB in 16bit format with many, many sounds, so the piano could have had nor more than 8MB max. In 2000, the heavily improved SRX 02 was released (64MB in 16bit format).
Now, "1996" sounds old, but this is an example of how the expansion boards were some years ahead of the preset sounds of the instruments: This same sample was used for the "European Grand" in many Roland synthesizers in the 2000s, it was the main piano of Juno G (released 2006!) and one of the three pianos in Juno Stage, SonicCell or GW 8 (2008-2013). So, in fact, Roland used this sample for about 17 years in total.

http://www.synthmania.com/sr-jv80-09.htm

http://lib.roland.co.jp/support/en/manuals/res/1810945/SR-JV80-09_je4.pdf



Edited by rosetree (10/30/15 03:48 PM)

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#410502 - 10/30/15 03:59 PM Re: Which piano sample is this? [Re: ]
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I knew it! Guess my hearing isn't shot to Hell as my wife says. wink

Gary cool
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#410504 - 10/30/15 04:26 PM Re: Which piano sample is this? [Re: ]
Mikem Offline
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Originally Posted By: rosetree
Originally Posted By: Bachus
Just a wild guess, i think its a steinway, sampled by Roland...
The concert Grand of the SRX-02 expansion board?


Thanks for your guess. Not too far away regarding release date (although the SRX-02 wasn't a Steinway, it has this very mellow, warm sound often criticized by those who want bright Steinway sound, it is said to be a Bösendorfer. SRX 11 is a Steinway).
I'll wait a few more hours before I release the result.

P.S.: Still regard the SRX 02 as one of my favourite Roland pianos, maybe no.1:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w47GmjbW1so




Interesting! How does the SuperNatural piano in your Integra-7 stack up? Is it inferior to your ears?
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#410541 - 10/31/15 07:32 AM Re: Which piano sample is this? [Re: Mikem]
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Just a note: I posted the solution to the riddle about 3 posts upwards.

Originally Posted By: Mikem
Interesting! How does the SuperNatural piano in your Integra-7 stack up? Is it inferior to your ears?


If you ask me in terms of how fascinated I am about its real feeling, yes, the SRX-02 outclasses the SN-A piano from my viewpoint. I remember when I first got a physical SRX-02 board for my SonicCell, I sat in front of my controller keyboard and had the feeling of playing a large, real, wooden grand piano. Never had this feeling with any other piano sound yet. It incorporates all those warm frequencies of the wooden resonance of the piano strings, fascinating.
BUT: This is when I play it through headphones - via speakers I've often had problems getting the same sound out, it tends to sound too mellow, in our band I finally had to eliminate the low velocity layer and use the 'rock' type of piano as only the forte part was cutting through the mix. There was another problem: the 4 velocity layers were so different that you couldn't go from piano to forte smoothly enough, and some notes would stick out as fortissimo, while others were very mellow.
In that respect, the SRX 11 (taken from a Steinway) was more usable on stage due to its brilliant part - but it doesn't have the great wooden depth. The SN-A piano seems to be somehow derived from the SRX 11 with improved mid keys, which sounded a bit thin in the SRX 11 (sometimes called "megaphone sound" in some forums). So the SN-A is the best playable one for the stage, and it's quite realistic, too, but again, the fascinating wooden resonance just isn't there.


Edited by rosetree (10/31/15 07:37 AM)

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#410583 - 10/31/15 03:34 PM Re: Which piano sample is this? [Re: ]
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See, it would be great if Roland took on this SRX 02 sample and advanced it into a SN-A piano, smoothing out the timbre jumps from layer to layer, it would be a truly great classical piano, but this is the kind of targeted advancement Roland has refused to make for the past couple of years. Let's hope they will get more consistent again.

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