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#413321 - 12/20/15 11:20 AM
Re: S970 feels like a toy
[Re: guitpic1]
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Registered: 12/08/02
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Loc: Forest Hill, MD USA
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I really don't care, and I don't personally know any professional entertainer/player that does. Whether or not the keys are harder to press down to make contact with the strips has absolutely nothing to do with the build quality, durability, or overall sound. These so called toys have made me a damned good living for may years, enough so that I could retire and do pretty much anything I wish during my final years of life. So, call em toys or tools, it rally doesn't make any difference. If having keys that you need to hit with a hammer make you play better, you should not have purchased an arranger keyboard. Good luck in your quest to find that perfect keybed for your needs, Gary
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#413332 - 12/20/15 03:43 PM
Re: S970 feels like a toy
[Re: guitpic1]
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Registered: 12/08/02
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Loc: Forest Hill, MD USA
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Rosetree, I'm not ridiculing anyone about the want for weighted keys. This argument has been going ever since I came to this forum, and it will never be solved in favor of those wishing fully weighted keys for their keyboard they purchased. In almost every instance, the demand has been brought forth by someone that either currently plays a piano, or previously played a piano. I look at an arranger keyboard from a different perspective. To me, it's a very versatile tool, that can mimic nearly every instrument in the world. IT'S NOT, BY ANY MEANS, A PIANO! And, for the most part, I, and many of my colleagues are damned glad it's not. It's an OMB entertainer's greatest tool. It is so versatile that we can play songs that make us sound like a single guitar player, or an entire orchestra. We can utilize the built in styles and have perfect timing, and not have to rely on our left hand to provide the beat that piano players often do. And, with those wonderful, light touch keys, we can play a four hour job without our hands feeling fatigued, then do it again, night after night, after night with no ill effects. When I played semi-weighted keybeds, times when I filled on for a friend and played his Clavinova, I often felt my hands would never make it through the night. As I said in my statement, if anyone want's fully weighted keys, and needs the expression they provide for piano players, they should not have purchased an arranger keyboard - IT'S NOT A PIANO! I wonder if those same folks ever go on an accordion or organ forum and demand that manufacturers go to fully weighted keys? Merry Christmas, Gary
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#413339 - 12/20/15 06:33 PM
Re: S970 feels like a toy
[Re: travlin'easy]
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rosetree
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And, with those wonderful, light touch keys, we can play a four hour job without our hands feeling fatigued, then do it again, night after night, after night with no ill effects. When I played semi-weighted keybeds, times when I filled on for a friend and played his Clavinova, I often felt my hands would never make it through the night.
I understand the point about the fatigued hands very well, and I am also sometimes happy about a light synthesizer keybed. I guess the MoXF keybed serves BOTH needs quite well, it is light enough and still has enough sensitivity and depth to control velocity nuances rather well. BK-9 is already noticeably more weighted, but still far from the DGX, let alone a real piano. (And even real pianos can be extremely different, I remember how I struggled with some in music school, having practised on the more light piano at home...)
Edited by rosetree (12/20/15 06:34 PM)
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#413350 - 12/21/15 02:57 AM
Re: S970 feels like a toy
[Re: Bachus]
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Registered: 04/16/14
Posts: 1950
Loc: Missouri
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Very interesting thread for me. I'm so new to keys, only been playing about 4 years or so..... I've been primarily a string player....guitar, mandolin, bass...a bit of banjo etc. As a kid(back in the middle of the last century :)), I started out on electric guitar...60's rock bands and all, but soon switched to acoustic guitar in the folk era. I've been playing acoustic guitar ever since. That is until I developed a mild case of myelodysplasia...and my left hand started losing strength and started to shake when I played. That's actually the reason I started playing keys. Thing is, I still prefer acoustic guitar over electric. For me, it feels as though I have much more control over the dynamics of the sound. And what I'm finding with the DGX650, is that like acoustic guitar, I 'feel' like I have more control over the dynamics of the sound I'm producing vs. our arrangers. The experience with the DGX650, has helped me to understand why some of my keyboard playing friends are willing to haul 50 lb. weighted keyboards to gigs. Or in the case of one good friend, who's made his living all his life with keyboards, hauls an 88 weighted keyboard and midi's that into a PSR S950. My brother, a vocal music teacher, has absolutely no interest in organ style keys. He just bought a Yamaha P22m. Now, my wife who is also a piano player of sorts, has really enjoyed the light touch of our PSR S970 as she is starting to develop arthritis in her hands. As for gigs, the only practical solution is our S970...great weight, size and sound. The Tyros still goes out from time to time as well. I am finding though, when I sit down to play, just for enjoyment, I go to the DGX650. I really do enjoy the 'feel' of weighted keys, even when I'm playing styles and using voices other than piano. This has been a helpful thread for me. Keep the thoughts coming.
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