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#414164 - 01/05/16 02:29 AM
Getting to know my new PSR S970...One big issue...
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Registered: 08/23/04
Posts: 2207
Loc: Dayton, OH USA
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As the holiday schedule says goodbye I am enjoying setting up the new board and getting used to it. I love the playability of the 970, the piano, guitars and drums are impressing me the most I'd say and I frankly have very few complaints at this point of the game.
Two somewhat sizable issues have revealed themselves so far...
The location of the multi-pads. (MP's)
Everyone is different how we trigger various parts of an arranger. As far as the MP's go, there are times when I can fire them with my RH OR my LH. There are other times when due to other things (usually chording or playing a lead) that there's only one hand available to trigger the MP. I'm finding it terribly awkard to trigger it in some cases.
Ex. NY, NY
During the classic chordal "walkup" "It's up to YOU (MP crash) NEW (MP crash) YORK (MP crash) NEW (MP crash) Yooooorrrk....." I (on full kb mode) am playing full chords with my RH and bass octaves with my LH, during which time my middle finger can reach up and fire the cymbal crash very smoothly.
No more and my middle finger on my LH certainly doesn't reach the far right of the kb, lol...
The crashes are an iconic part of the tune and imo, HAVE to be there.
There are other examples and I'm telling myself that over time, I'll figure it out but it's a bit frustrating to be honest.
Has Yamaha ever explained why they moved the MP's from the left side of the board to the right? I'd love to know.
The 2nd issue is no longer having three voice options and learning to live with just two.
I appreciate more now the the value of creating multiple registrations for the same tune, of which the possibilities are endless. I rarely did this with the T2 because I found it very adequate to work with just the three voices. Piano as #1, Strings as #2 and then the solo instrument of my choosing as #3. I'd become very adept at changing a voice on the fly as I play in many circumstances. This isn't as easy on the 970, but I think in time, it will come.
Another question regarding multipads...
My most common MP's are the Conga/Bongo, the shaker/tamborine and the cymbal crash. QUESTION: Is there a way to create a "custom" bank of multi-pads with voices from DIFFERENT MP's? Can I save up to 4 of my favorites into one MP setting that is available to me for every song/registration I load?
Again, I like this kb very much with limited hands on time so far. No regrets on this purchase whatsoever...
Thanks for the feedback!
Bill
Edited by Bill in Dayton (01/05/16 02:33 AM)
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#414195 - 01/05/16 12:25 PM
Re: Getting to know my new PSR S970...One big issue...
[Re: Bill in Dayton]
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Registered: 12/15/99
Posts: 2029
Loc: Ventura, Ca, USA
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As the holiday schedule says goodbye I am enjoying setting up the new board and getting used to it. I love the playability of the 970, the piano, guitars and drums are impressing me the most I'd say and I frankly have very few complaints at this point of the game.
Two somewhat sizable issues have revealed themselves so far...
The location of the multi-pads. (MP's)
Everyone is different how we trigger various parts of an arranger. As far as the MP's go, there are times when I can fire them with my RH OR my LH. There are other times when due to other things (usually chording or playing a lead) that there's only one hand available to trigger the MP. I'm finding it terribly awkard to trigger it in some cases.
Ex. NY, NY
During the classic chordal "walkup" "It's up to YOU (MP crash) NEW (MP crash) YORK (MP crash) NEW (MP crash) Yooooorrrk....." I (on full kb mode) am playing full chords with my RH and bass octaves with my LH, during which time my middle finger can reach up and fire the cymbal crash very smoothly.
No more and my middle finger on my LH certainly doesn't reach the far right of the kb, lol...
The crashes are an iconic part of the tune and imo, HAVE to be there.
There are other examples and I'm telling myself that over time, I'll figure it out but it's a bit frustrating to be honest.
Has Yamaha ever explained why they moved the MP's from the left side of the board to the right? I'd love to know.
The 2nd issue is no longer having three voice options and learning to live with just two.
I appreciate more now the the value of creating multiple registrations for the same tune, of which the possibilities are endless. I rarely did this with the T2 because I found it very adequate to work with just the three voices. Piano as #1, Strings as #2 and then the solo instrument of my choosing as #3. I'd become very adept at changing a voice on the fly as I play in many circumstances. This isn't as easy on the 970, but I think in time, it will come.
Another question regarding multipads...
My most common MP's are the Conga/Bongo, the shaker/tamborine and the cymbal crash. QUESTION: Is there a way to create a "custom" bank of multi-pads with voices from DIFFERENT MP's? Can I save up to 4 of my favorites into one MP setting that is available to me for every song/registration I load?
Again, I like this kb very much with limited hands on time so far. No regrets on this purchase whatsoever...
Thanks for the feedback!
Bill Hi Bill, I solved the problem of the missing third voice by making my own OTS setting and save it as a user style. That way you have access to 8 voices. Eric
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Genos, PSR-S970, TC Helicon VoiceLive3, Mackie 802-VLZ3 Mixer, 2 Bose L1 Pro16, Electro-Voice ZXA1 Subwoofer
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#414231 - 01/06/16 09:02 AM
Re: Getting to know my new PSR S970...One big issue...
[Re: Bill in Dayton]
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Registered: 12/08/02
Posts: 15576
Loc: Forest Hill, MD USA
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And, once you optimize it, just save the information to a setup registration where it can instantly be recalled. Then it's just a matter of locking the information so you cannot mess it up with any subsequent registrations you have created. Nothing more than a couple button pushes to perform after turning on the keyboard. All this takes less than 3 seconds. Donny, the vocal processor in the S-970 is outstanding and I used it every job with absolutely no problems whatsoever. I stopped packing a mixer with me more than a decade ago and never looked back. And, the only reason DonM has one is because he frequently has guest singers and players show up unexpectedly at Earnest's. All the best, Gary
Edited by travlin'easy (01/06/16 09:04 AM)
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K+E=W (Knowledge Plus Experience = Wisdom.)
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#414237 - 01/06/16 09:38 AM
Re: Getting to know my new PSR S970...One big issue...
[Re: Bill in Dayton]
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Registered: 12/08/02
Posts: 15576
Loc: Forest Hill, MD USA
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Here ya go, Donny: After setting the above parameters, save the information to a registration. Next, press Function/Utilities, then using the B button scroll down to Parameter Lock. Uncheck everything other than Master EQ and Mic Setting. Now, the only flaw is in Yamaha's OS with this one. When the keyboard is turned off, it will revert to the original, factory mic settings. Therefore, when I first turn on the keyboard the very fist thing I do is Press the Function button, go to Utilities, then scroll to Parameter Lock and uncheck the Mic setting box. Next, I select my mic setting registration, then recheck the mic setting box in parameter lock and I'm good for the rest of the day. It makes no difference if you have some old mic settings on your old registrations that you transferred - they cannot be activated unless you turn off the mic settings in the parameter lock section of utilities. Very quick, easy and efficient. For vocal harmony, I still use my TC Helicon Harmony M and fire it through the keyboard, therefore using the keyboard's general mic processor in conjunction with the Harmony M. Gary
Edited by travlin'easy (01/06/16 09:39 AM)
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PSR-S950, TC Helicon Harmony-M, Digitech VR, Samson Q7, Sennheiser E855, Custom Console, and lots of other silly stuff!
K+E=W (Knowledge Plus Experience = Wisdom.)
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#414242 - 01/06/16 09:55 AM
Re: Getting to know my new PSR S970...One big issue...
[Re: Bill in Dayton]
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Registered: 12/08/02
Posts: 15576
Loc: Forest Hill, MD USA
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It takes just a few seconds, Don. I'm old, so I don't have anything better to do with 3 seconds of my life. Slow down, Gary
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PSR-S950, TC Helicon Harmony-M, Digitech VR, Samson Q7, Sennheiser E855, Custom Console, and lots of other silly stuff!
K+E=W (Knowledge Plus Experience = Wisdom.)
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#414246 - 01/06/16 10:38 AM
Re: Getting to know my new PSR S970...One big issue...
[Re: Bill in Dayton]
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Registered: 12/08/02
Posts: 15576
Loc: Forest Hill, MD USA
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I have been in contact with them over this very issue many times, and have been promised that they will address this on future models, however, that has been nearly 10 years since I talked with them about the problem. Maybe I should jar their memory again. Gary
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PSR-S950, TC Helicon Harmony-M, Digitech VR, Samson Q7, Sennheiser E855, Custom Console, and lots of other silly stuff!
K+E=W (Knowledge Plus Experience = Wisdom.)
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#414261 - 01/06/16 02:18 PM
Re: Getting to know my new PSR S970...One big issue...
[Re: travlin'easy]
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Registered: 09/21/00
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