I have been observing the salesnumbers of thoman and musikstore in Germany for a few months now, and i have found that Arrangers in the format we love belong to the past when it comes to leading the salesnumbers as they still did two years ago..

With lightweight high quallity Mobile DP's becoming the replacement factor. At Thoman i have seen only the cheepest Yamaha arranger in the top 20 in the last few months, and the Havian 30 is the best selling arranger at Musikstore this month (it has 88 keys)

Its obvious the arranger formfactor as we love it is only bought by old timers in europe and the US, tough its still very popular in Asia explaining the trend of more and more balkan and asian sounds in those arrangers.

These numbers make me wonder how long it will take Roland, Korg or Yamaha to produce a highend 88key arranger?

not everyone including me wants a 88 key arranger especially for gigging for aso many reasons...
if it was that popular they would make them,.....if someone needs it just get a 88 key controller of your choice....

Bachus I have decided to go for the Havian instead of the PX 560. Reason is I just love the Korg styles and overall the Korg sound better. I really like the Casio sounds but the styles are not that good.

Its not about the current arranger players

Its about where current customers are spending money

And thats on everything with 88 piano keys

Arrangers cant stay back and move that way to, if they dont want to die with the oldtimers.. Arranger piano's are very viable for the youth.. Its not about keeping current customers happy, its about finding new customers to save the arranger from extinction..



The s970 clearly shows Yamaha searching to get the attention from the youth... 88 keys would have given it a better chance... The DGX 650 is to low end for a breaktrough, tough its better selling then any other Yamaha arranger in europe...

Its just a matter of time, i wouldnt be surprised to see an 88 key version somwhere between 970 and T5 make its way to Musikmesse..

Can't imagine a Tyros(xx) 88keys It might weigh 100 lbs.

The Havian has the same pianosound as the pa4x, its a great instrument, it also has the same styles as the pa3x...

either your a 88key piano player or an arranger kb player two very different camps & needs..

also too much emphasis on "Keybed" and not enough on Playing talent & skills IMO way more important..

I have had the pa600 and really like it except the keybed.

what makes you asume piano players will not like arranger styles... Yamaha allready has a whole line of Clavinova CVP with as much arranger on board as your PSR 970. Casio is putting a small arranger in everyone of their new stage piano's

it doesnt matter what kind of keyboardplayer you are, piano based, synth based or organ based... arranger styles are fun for everyone..


You are having a hard time placing your mind in someone elses shoes.. why wouldnt a piano player, espescially with full keyboard chord detection be extremely happy with some arranger styles on top of his playing?


Your opinions to often sound like : I dont want/need it, so noboddy needs/wants it.