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#416815 - 02/15/16 12:06 PM Re: New standard keybed size for homeplayers : 88 [Re: Bachus]
Dnj Senior Member Registered: 09/21/00 Posts: 43703	Originally Posted By: Bachus Originally Posted By: Dnj either your a 88key piano player or an arranger kb player two very different camps & needs.. also too much emphasis on "Keybed" and not enough on Playing talent & skills IMO way more important.. what makes you asume piano players will not like arranger styles... Yamaha allready has a whole line of Clavinova CVP with as much arranger on board as your PSR 970. Casio is putting a small arranger in everyone of their new stage piano's it doesnt matter what kind of keyboardplayer you are, piano based, synth based or organ based... arranger styles are fun for everyone.. You are having a hard time placing your mind in someone elses shoes.. why wouldnt a piano player, espescially with full keyboard chord detection be extremely happy with some arranger styles on top of his playing? Your opinions to often sound like : I dont want/need it, so noboddy needs/wants it. nothing to do with styles I'm talking a trained piano player vs an arranger player there's a big difference with right & left hand playing technic....and the 88 key weighted definitely hinders my style of plaiyng arranger....I love it fast light & 61 for gigging. Edited by Dnj (02/15/16 12:07 PM)
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#416818 - 02/15/16 12:32 PM Re: New standard keybed size for homeplayers : 88 [Re: Bachus]
guitpic1 Senior Member Registered: 04/16/14 Posts: 1950 Loc: Missouri	For the kids I teach, it has a lot more to do with the touch of weighted keys...which most associate with 88 keys. Interesting. What about an arranger, weighted keyboard...76 keys but maybe 30 lbs or so? The technology currently exists. I think I would be interested in something like that. _________________________ It’s all about the learning
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#416820 - 02/15/16 12:48 PM Re: New standard keybed size for homeplayers : 88 [Re: Bachus]
124 Senior Member Registered: 01/01/09 Posts: 2195	Who'd be a keyboard manufacturer? So many different requirements out there. It's the old "you can please some of the people some of the time, etc".
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#416823 - 02/15/16 12:52 PM Re: New standard keybed size for homeplayers : 88 [Re: Dnj]
Bachus Senior Member Registered: 03/02/06 Posts: 7143	Originally Posted By: Dnj Originally Posted By: Bachus Originally Posted By: Dnj either your a 88key piano player or an arranger kb player two very different camps & needs.. also too much emphasis on "Keybed" and not enough on Playing talent & skills IMO way more important.. what makes you asume piano players will not like arranger styles... Yamaha allready has a whole line of Clavinova CVP with as much arranger on board as your PSR 970. Casio is putting a small arranger in everyone of their new stage piano's it doesnt matter what kind of keyboardplayer you are, piano based, synth based or organ based... arranger styles are fun for everyone.. You are having a hard time placing your mind in someone elses shoes.. why wouldnt a piano player, espescially with full keyboard chord detection be extremely happy with some arranger styles on top of his playing? Your opinions to often sound like : I dont want/need it, so noboddy needs/wants it. nothing to do with styles I'm talking a trained piano player vs an arranger player there's a big difference with right & left hand playing technic....and the 88 key weighted definitely hinders my style of plaiyng arranger....I love it fast light & 61 for gigging. You know 90% !of sales go to untrained players and not to professionals? If a yamaha would have to make their money from professional players, they wouldnt have survived the roaring 60's.. Its home players like me, with a steady income that probably spend most money on keyboards... Followed by parrents with kids.. _________________________ Yamaha Genos, Roland Jupiter 80, Ipad pro. http://keyszone.boards.net
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#416824 - 02/15/16 12:53 PM Re: New standard keybed size for homeplayers : 88 [Re: 124]
Dnj Senior Member Registered: 09/21/00 Posts: 43703	Originally Posted By: 124 Who'd be a keyboard manufacturer? So many different requirements out there. It's the old "you can please some of the people some of the time, etc". its a personal ting playing KB ...but you can pick and choose all kinds of combinations to suit your needs....arrangers, synths, work stations, controllers, dig pianos, pc based programs, mix and match eventually you'll come up with something that suits YOUR needs,...listening to what OTHERS LOVE won't work for YOU,... make it your own always,.. there's plenty out there what the heck its only money!!
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#416826 - 02/15/16 12:55 PM Re: New standard keybed size for homeplayers : 88 [Re: Dnj]
guitpic1 Senior Member Registered: 04/16/14 Posts: 1950 Loc: Missouri	Originally Posted By: Dnj either your a 88key piano player or an arranger kb player two very different camps & needs.. I'm not so sure. A guy I know uses an S950 midi'd into an 88 key weighted keyboard...pretty good sized rig he takes to the show. He made his living for years playing piano. But would like to do smaller gigs now that he's semi-retired. He's looking for that smaller weighted keys keyboard that can do arranger functions...something that's halfway portable. _________________________ It’s all about the learning
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#416827 - 02/15/16 01:00 PM Re: New standard keybed size for homeplayers : 88 [Re: guitpic1]
Dnj Senior Member Registered: 09/21/00 Posts: 43703	Originally Posted By: guitpic1 Originally Posted By: Dnj either your a 88key piano player or an arranger kb player two very different camps & needs.. I'm not so sure. A guy I know uses an S950 midi'd into an 88 key weighted keyboard...pretty good sized rig he takes to the show. He made his living for years playing piano. But would like to do smaller gigs now that he's semi-retired. He's looking for that smaller weighted keys keyboard that can do arranger functions...something that's halfway portable. bottom line hes still a "piano player"...its definitely not the same technic..
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#416870 - 02/16/16 02:46 AM Re: New standard keybed size for homeplayers : 88 [Re: Dnj]
Bachus Senior Member Registered: 03/02/06 Posts: 7143	Originally Posted By: Dnj Originally Posted By: guitpic1 Originally Posted By: Dnj either your a 88key piano player or an arranger kb player two very different camps & needs.. I'm not so sure. A guy I know uses an S950 midi'd into an 88 key weighted keyboard...pretty good sized rig he takes to the show. He made his living for years playing piano. But would like to do smaller gigs now that he's semi-retired. He's looking for that smaller weighted keys keyboard that can do arranger functions...something that's halfway portable. bottom line hes still a "piano player"...its definitely not the same technic.. Modern keyboardist learn many technics... Organ, piano, synth... And even using an arranger playstyle trying to reproduce accoustic instruments as good as possible on a keyboard... If you want to train yourself in all of these playstyles(piano players can easilly addapt to playing chords in the right hand) your choice would be a lighter hammer action keybed with aftertouch, much like the ones in Motif, Kronos, Kurzweil and Nord stage.. Just give me one reason why a piano player would not know how to play arranger? Peter Baartmans does it all the time as many others.. _________________________ Yamaha Genos, Roland Jupiter 80, Ipad pro. http://keyszone.boards.net
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